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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

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  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Hi, refiners fire,

  You said, "Mormons used to believe that God inhabited a physical body. Whether they still believe that is a slippery issue."

  Nah, nothing slippery about it. It's still doctrine.

  You said, "(Eternal Progression) is hidden from public view. Anyone going to a Mormon meeting for the first time will hear nothing of such beliefs. He will only hear about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus."

  Funny, must anti-Mormons claim they never hear ANYTHING about Jesus at our meetings, which is of course pure trash since everything about us centers on Him. But Eternal Progression is a key doctrine and never hidden from anyone. It is thoroughly covered in the missionary discussions, and is often covered in lessons and talks given on Sunday.

  You said, "The second added "revelation" in D/C ... says Black people can now be members of the Priesthood...One wonders that the Civil Rights Movement might have prompted this change in Doctrine."

  No. Actually, several Presidents of the Church sought permission to make that change, but were refused until the Lord himself said the time had come. The reason why the wait was necessary is known to anyone who cares to investigate it, but it had absolutely zilch to do with anything happening here on earth at the time.

  You said, "Preexistant beings coming, by agreement, into this physicality for the purpose of experiencing "Fallenness" (as our doctrine, in your understanding of it).

  No, not fallenness, but mortality, which to us is not fallenness, but is an essential part of the Eternal Progression you mentioned previously, which required each of us to come here, experience mortality in a physical form, and learn to walk by faith.

  Thanks. Hope this helps.

  Susan
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Billygoat,

  Thanks for your comments re. lack of loving responses from JW family...You really hit it on the head, better than I've seen anyone word it before.

  Susan
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Hi, Detective,

  Nice name, by the way. You asked about my religious background, familywise...

  Basically protestant. Very strong religous family. Very opinionated. Also, very divided, obviously, into liberal protestant, SDA, LDS, JW and ultra-conservative protestant. Several ministers in the bunch.

  No, family gatherings have been impossible for many years, since only parts of the family can be in the same place at the same time without fireworks. Very sad. Religion should make people more loving and easy to get along with, not less so.

  Susan
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Hi, all,

  I'm not dodging your questions or avoiding answering. No reason to, since I have nothing to gain or lose whether what I say is accepted, respected, rejected, or trashed. I say what is accurate, and leave the rest to the reader.

  But I only had a few brief minutes today for computer time so could only respond to a very quick question. I hope to have more time tomorrow.

  I appreciate those who have made kind comments! Thank you!

  Susan
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Hi, Sadiejive,

  No, it's not accurate, but is typical of the half truths people hear somewhere and seem to remember forever. The current president of the Church recently said that Mother Theresa is in heaven, and, as far as I know, she never married. She's probably about as single as a woman can get. Bottom line, no person can either bring an unworthy woman into heaven, nor keep a worthy woman out. Same goes for worthy and unworthy men. There is probably nothing in all of eternity that is more an individual matter than where any of us end up spending it.

  As for the name thing, IF he is worthy, and IF she is worthy, he MAY be given the honor and privilege of being the one who reaches out his hand to lead her with him into heaven. Those are two huge if's.

  Hope that helps!

  Susan
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Hi, Billygoat,

  Thanks for your kind comments! Actually, Mormons don't track hours. If anyone were to suggest it, there would be zero cooperation in that direction. Joseph Smith, when asked how he could govern so many people as had joined his "peculiar" religion, said, "I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves." Nobody's come up with a better way of monitoring our individual activities since. It's all up to the individual.

  Actually, I came up with a tally of the hours myself years back when my firstborn son left to serve a full-time mission. I was so proud of him, as only a mother can be. You know, "Look what my little Johnny is doing now!" type of thing. Of course, my JW family members merely sniffed and with smug smiles told me, "Yes, but he only serves for TWO years while WE serve all our lives!"

  To me their refusal to recognize the incredible sacrifice my son had chosen to make, giving up everything he knew and loved to serve others for two years of his life, was comparable to my having said, "Guess what! My little Johnny has been selected to perform as a featured soloist at Carnigie Hall!" and having the response be, "Yes, but he'll only perform ONCE while my Tommy plays his guitar at the Night Owl Tavern EVERY Saturday night!" Sheesh, all I wanted was for them to be happy for me, and for my son. Was that too much to ask?

  Unable to come up with a proper response at the time (isn't that always the case?), I fussed and fumed until it occured to me to change my JW family's absurdly inequal comparison with one that might make sense to a JW...namely, hours. So I took the time to tally the hours an average missionary serves, considering that they get no time off, but are on duty, so to speak, six days a week, wake up till bedtime. Then backed off a few hours to allow for unforeseen complications. Unscientific at best, but as accurate as I could make it.

  Of course, all my efforts were in vain, as I'd known they would be, as all that resulted was a lack of any contact with JW family for many months. But I've STILL never received a response when hours are compared to hours.

  So it goes. I still go out of my way to congratulate my JW family members on every little accomplishment, honor, distinction, life step, etc., and still sting when it is not reciprocated. With all the hurt in the world, shouldn't good people go out of their way to make other people's lives a little brighter? Just a simple, "Wow, that's great! I'm so happy for you!" goes a mighty long way!

  SUSAN
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Hi, Doc Jedd,

  Thank you! I really appreciate positive feedback like yours. Everyone like to have a friendly smile returned with another friendly smile.

  Susan
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  ::::: Watching the minutes tick down and wondering how soon I can "rant and rave" or become a troll. What IS a troll anyway? Isn't that one of those creatures that lurks under bridges and frightens little children? Hmmmmmm. :::::::

  ROFL -- Sorry, but ranting and raving I leave to others. Defensiveness also. I'm having far too much fun enjoying life to let someone else's problems darken my day! : )

  SUSAN
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Hi, Utopian Reformist,

  Although I seldom respond to postings such as yours, which seem to be only intended to ridicule rather than an attempt at intelligent dialogue, I will make an exception. Probably a mistake, but here goes...

  No, the religionists are not the center of all cleanliness. DUH. (Sorry, couldn't help myself.) But as GoldDustWoman (I think it was her) pointed out, the Mormons are often used as a control group because of their exceptionally healthy lifestyle. This isn't a matter of washing hands after using the bathroom, though we and most other civilized people do that, but because of our abstinance from unhealthy substances such as coffee, tea, (caffiene in general), tobacco products, and all alcohol. Because that is a church-wide, world-wide belief of ours, Mormons make a natural control group for those researching the effects of a healthy lifestyle. If this bothers you, or is humorous to you, that's your problem.

  Susan
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  The mormons vs the jw?

  by Nicolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw a report on tv about the church of jesus chrisht of latter day saint and they have a lot in common with the jw.

  they go from door to door and as the jw, they believe that they are here to save the world.

  do you think that this church will become more popular while the watchtower is losing his popularity?

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  SusanHere

  Hi, plmkvzy,

  You asked for someone to comment on what you were told regarding Mormons and geneology. I'd like to do that, if I may...

  I'm not surprised you were confused by what you were told. Most of it is totally wrong. The rest is mostly wrong. The woman you described sounds seriously mental. I hope she gets help FAST. Of course, I can only speak for LDS people and doctrines. The RLDS are a whole other ball game and I never attempt to speak for them, so if she was RLDS, I really don't know what to tell you. But as far as Mormons (LDS) go, here is the straight stuff...

  Okay, first of all, there is NO requirement to do ANY geneology prior to baptism. There is no requirement to do ANY geneology AFTER baptism either. It is a personal thing. Some do, some don't. Some do none, some a little, some devote their lives to it and become obsessed with it. Whatever. A personal choice. Nobody spends much time judging anybody else on the basis of their geneology skills. Then again, we aren't into judging others based on much of anything.

  Second, we are under no obligation to "make atonement" for the wrongs of our ancestors. That's their problem. They'll have to deal with it. We can only deal with our own lives and our own mistakes. Thank goodness for that. We each have enough on our plates without taking on the sins of others.

  Third, by doing geneology, we can do temple work for our ancestors, and for others not of our own lineage, but in no way does this absolve them of anything. It only gives them the opportunity to accept or reject teachings of Jesus Christ that they didn't have the opportunity to accept or reject in this life. So it's all up to them anyway. God will force no one to heaven.

  Does that help?

  Susan