My Dad tried to explain new light to me. Last week he said " The org is going through a constant refinement process, this ensures the language we use is pure". So i tell him "what about the transplanting of organs being prohibited. Then allowed. Then not allowed. etc. etc. Is that a refinement or is it bollocks?" I then asked him "please explain the current blood teaching". Then he commented on the weather.....
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EVENTUAL truth and the claim of being "corrected" by Jehovah
by Terry inwe've all heard the old saying:.
any job worth doing is worth doing right the first time.. but, this would not seem to apply in the only organization on earth claiming to be solely guided by jehovah!.
in the watchtower society, the governing body gathers in a board room and prays, discusses and votes.
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Hubby and Wifey saying Hi
by free and happy inso where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
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Me and my 2 brothers used to love the 4 odd weeks of pre convention. We stayed in a battered old caravan on site, away from school. It was fantastic having a whole stadium to play in! We would do some work as well, even recycling all the nails by straightening them out! We were told we were saving the brothers contribution money....yeah right! Then all the j-dubs came for the assembly and ruined it!
It would be great meeting ex-dubs again who might have worked there.
GoneAwol....for good
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''Spiritual high(TM)'' after an a$$emb£y anyone?
by punkofnice ini remember having been to a convention or a$$emby for however many days and when i came back i didn't want to go back to work/school because i felt on a buzz.. what was that all about????.
any ideas?
anyone else get that?.
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Sure it wasnt pins n needles?! I needed a day off after assemblies, attending was a sure fire way to collapsed arches. Towards the end i used the afternoons for naps in the car, especially the pubic talk....
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Hubby and Wifey saying Hi
by free and happy inso where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
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Everyone! I am seriously overwhelmed! Big hugs to everyone. (and a kiss to Granny! )
GoneAwol...for good
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Hubby and Wifey saying Hi
by free and happy inso where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
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Straightshooter- I think for the most part elders are there for the right reasons. These are the ones that step down eventually. But for the rest of them, the power is too much for them to handle. We`ve seen so many servants who turn into monsers when they become elders.
Happy@last- Hows the skiing up there at the mo? We are planning to dash up one weekend. Maybe a good party at your k hall one saturday night?
RosePetal- The blood issue is something that happens to other jw`s, not you. When it does happen, its a test of how deeply indoctrinated you are, not how faithful you are to God.
trujw- good question about 1914. They have no answer to that. And yes, we feel awesome! Thanks for making us feel very welcome everyone!
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Hubby and Wifey saying Hi
by free and happy inso where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
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Hi Ruderedhead, if a co wasnt listening i dont expect the higher ups to want to know. I think the main reason for us was the blood issue. That was enough to wonder why God would require a sacrifice to prove our love for him. Werent human sacrifices bad in Jehovahs eyes? Sacrificing our loved ones is, in essence what the Witchtower want from us. We didnt want to see our daughter on the front page of a magazine. We wanted her living, breathing, going to uni to train as a nurse. Which thankfully, is what shes doing The family from hell was just the final push...
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Hubby and Wifey saying Hi
by free and happy inso where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
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Thankyou from the both of us. Such a warm welcome from everyone! Yes Clarity, that would have been a good pic! It was a personal message to "the body". Now we are trying to help parents and inlaws. Softly softly does it...
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Hubby and Wifey saying Hi
by free and happy inso where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
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jgnat, it was a really nice briefcase too! However, it was the only way i could think of to make a point without being too confrontational! I dont want to play their games with letters.
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Hubby and Wifey saying Hi
by free and happy inso where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
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Thanks Emma, Ding, BeSunny i know that our family has gone through things that are sadly all too common in Jw world. You're right, normal is good!
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Hubby and Wifey saying Hi
by free and happy inso where do you start?.
i've been reading peoples experiences for several months now trying to figure out what i want to say but how do you put your whole life into a few words?.
i was a born in but have been happy and free for 5 years and luckily for me my husband felt the same way and we have freed our children from being brainwashed.
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I hope there's enough room for two more! Thankyou to each and every one of you thats taken the time to post experiences or research here for those that are groping in the dark. As my good lady above has hinted, our experiences in the jw cult are many and varied. I myself was 3 years old when my bible studying divorcee mum decided to marry a pioneer. And so my step father came into mine and my older brothers life. For the most part, we had a great upbringing, loads of activities to get involved in like pre convention at Murrayfield, Edinburgh. Yes, me and my bro were amongst those to paint the red and white stripes on the donut booths! Kingdom hall refurbs and quick builds were another thing we got involved with. Even though we were active in the jw lifestyle, I didnt really feel the need to be a pioneer, or a servant, or in any way push myself to be noticed by elders. I was a cruiser. Whatever happened I dealt with in my own time and way. Even when I met my wife at 16 I wasnt baptized. In fact I was told that if I was serious about courting at a later date, I should get dunked. So I got baptized. At 18, we got married. And no, we dont regret getting married so young one bit. During this time that should have been happy, we both seemed to be held up to the congregation as examples. I was made a servant just before I turned 19, wifey was already a pioneer. And yes, the 2 talks on masturbation were given by me! Didnt bother me one bit. However, I was amazed to see how many "youths" managed to miss that meeting! Ongoing problems with a particular family in the cong however started to bring out the uglies in people. My parents against them, and we were caught in the middle. Lies and stories were made up. The end result was that me and my wife hardly spoke to my family for nearly 20 years. I feel sick just to write this. But there we are. Because of the politics and greed and desire to be the best in the congregation, this other family did their level best to keep us away from my family. This was their way of showing to others that they must be right about my parents if his son and d in law dont want to talk to them.
Of course this was totally my fault. You could say I was manipulated and lied to, used to further someone else's agenda. But the fact remains that I was a cruiser. Happy to follow the leaders. Any advice I was given I took. I didnt think for myself at all. I was a robot. I honestly think that this type of personality is the hardest to wake up from a cult. I never questioned that ignoring my family was hurtful, or unnatural, I did it because it was the jw way.
5 years ago. As my wifey has already mentioned, our daughter #1 had to go into hospital for major surgery. We were in a panic. On one hand we had a surgeon saying that bloodless surgery would likely cause death, and elders giving conflicting advice on the other. "Its your choice." "If you go through with a transfusion you will lose all priviliges" . "Just do it and dont tell anyone"....this from a hlc member! So for the first time in my life, I studied. You have to realise that even up to this point my study habits were limited to talks. But looking at a subject that involves your firstborns life tends to focus a person. I read in the bible how the Jews were to pour out the blood of an animal on the ground when it was dead. My daughter wasnt dead. The blood doners hadnt died as far as I was aware. And it was only animal blood it applied to anyway. My daughter is human. Not to mention that Jesus sacrifice should have done away with all that. Why the hell was I still going along with this crap?
For the first time in my life, I felt like we were hostages. Being watched in case we made a run for the exit. I'd told the elders I had done my own research and had made a decision that was right and just and reflected the love that Jesus taught we should show to one another. If it was in my hand to do good, and sign a piece of paper that helped my daughter, then they had no right to interfere in that decision. Either by lecturing to us or by disciplining us. After this, we were left alone. And I mean alone. Only one Jw came to visit my daughter in the 3 weeks she was in. Guess who? Yes the hlc elder, probably to confirm if she had the transfusion. We found out later that the elders decided to announce "no visitors" due to the complicated surgery. In fact it was to keep the sheep shielded from the fact she had blood.
During this time, the other family decided to launch another attack, as Wifey mentions above. Kicked while down. While daughter #1 recovered at home, I ended up in jc's, with elders and co's, trying to battle for our spiritual lives. This lasted about a month in total. All the while the anger was building. I would stand at the back of the hall with dark thoughts racing through my mind. My wifes hair started falling out with the stress.
Then the final meeting with the elders. We sat in my back garden on a warm summers day. I asked what was being done about the family from hell. They told us the best thing to do was to go to a different hall. To leave friends and my wifes family and relocate. Start again. Run away. The old me would have probably thought it was a good idea. To go along with whatever I was told. To cruise along and have my thinking done for me. Not this time. I thanked them for the visit, and watched them to their cars. Even gave a little cheery wave as they drove away.
The next day was our Sunday meeting, and I was due to open up. At 6am, I got our family study books together, everything I could find with the names inked in, and filled my handmade leather briefcase with them. Jammed full and dam heavy. I put in all the public talk crap I had as i was the public talk servant. I drove to the hall, opened up and placed the briefcase on the platform. With a report slip and a pin from the notice board I pinned a little note on my briefcase. "we wont be needing these anymore".
Now my brain hurts! Sorry if we've both rambled on a bit, but we both love a good natter! We hope to post more odds and sods in the future!
GoneAwol.........for good