Posts by BereanThinker7

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Information about M.L. McPhail

by maplaza in

i have seen the messages posted about the w.h.

conley subject... and i have think that maybe somebody in this forum can help me with the following.

i have searched the watchtower reprints volumes and what i need is any other information.

BereanThinker7

commenting so i can find t a later date

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What day off the Week?

by BereanThinker7 in

does anybody know if the borg has ever done any articles on what day of the week they think jesus died?

i know most denominations think it was friday and i have also heard somewhat sensible arguments that it could be wednesday.

not that it matters weather one in a believer or not even.

Actually it would be called historical reconstruction. If your not interested do bother commenting and continue in your post-modern world where all things that exist, outside of personal lived experience, are simply constructs.

Bart Ehrman (a secular agnostic):
This is not even an issue for scholars of antiquity.... The reason for thinking Jesus existed is because he is abundantly attested in early sources.... If you want to go where the evidence goes, I think that atheists have done themselves a disservice by jumping on the bandwagon of mythicism, because frankly, it makes you look foolish to the outside world. If that’s what you’re going to believe, you just look foolish.

Michael Grant:
we can no more reject Jesus' existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned. ..... In recent years, 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary.

EP Sanders:

Historical reconstruction is never absolutely certain, and in the case of Jesus it is sometimes highly uncertain. Despite this, we have a good idea of the main lines of his ministry and his message. We know who he was, what he did, what he taught, and why he died. ..... the dominant view [among scholars] today seems to be that we can know pretty well what Jesus was out to accomplish, that we can know a lot about what he said, and that those two things make sense within the world of first-century Judaism.

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What day off the Week?

by BereanThinker7 in

does anybody know if the borg has ever done any articles on what day of the week they think jesus died?

i know most denominations think it was friday and i have also heard somewhat sensible arguments that it could be wednesday.

not that it matters weather one in a believer or not even.

BereanThinker7

johnamos Thank you, do you happen to have a publication reference?

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What day off the Week?

by BereanThinker7 in

does anybody know if the borg has ever done any articles on what day of the week they think jesus died?

i know most denominations think it was friday and i have also heard somewhat sensible arguments that it could be wednesday.

not that it matters weather one in a believer or not even.

BereanThinker7

Dear

WTWizard,

If your not going to contribute a comment that actually answers my question and instead bring up "mythicist theories" then please just move it along. Neither atheist or agnostic historians scholars give an ounce of credibility to the mythicist idea. If you don't think that there was a Jewish man named Jesus that lived in Palestine and killed by the Romans, then you have no basis to think any ancient historical person existed at all.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't, seeing as you apparently believe in some "mandatory torture shot" nonsense.

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What day off the Week?

by BereanThinker7 in

does anybody know if the borg has ever done any articles on what day of the week they think jesus died?

i know most denominations think it was friday and i have also heard somewhat sensible arguments that it could be wednesday.

not that it matters weather one in a believer or not even.

BereanThinker7

Does anybody know if the Borg has ever done any articles on what day of the week they think Jesus died? I know most denominations think it was Friday and I have also heard somewhat sensible arguments that it could be Wednesday. Not that it matters weather one in a believer or not even.

I was just curious if they have even contended with that controversy as the Borgs biblical scholarship has gone from fanciful in the past to often plain ignorant nowadays.

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Speaks for Itself.

by BereanThinker7 in

[9-15-95 wt- ‘the golden calf’ and the people said: “all that jehovah has spoken we are willing to do and be obedient.”—exodus 24:7. nevertheless, the israelites soon sinned against god.

they were still encamped at the foot of mount sinai.

moses had been on the mountain many days, receiving further instruction from god, and the people pressured moses’ brother, aaron, to make a god for them.

BereanThinker7

[9-15-95 WT- ‘The Golden Calf’ And the people said: “All that Jehovah has spoken we are willing to do and be obedient.”—Exodus 24:7. Nevertheless, the Israelites soon sinned against God. They were still encamped at the foot of Mount Sinai. Moses had been on the mountain many days, receiving further instruction from God, and the people pressured Moses’ brother, Aaron, to make a god for them. Aaron complied and made a calf out of gold that the people provided. It was claimed that this idol represented Jehovah. (Psalm 106:20) The next day they offered sacrifices and kept “bowing down to it.” Then they had “a good time.”—Exodus 32:1, 4, 6, 8, 17-19.]

[Insight Vol 1 IDOL, IDOLATRY- An idol is an image, a representation of anything, or a symbol that is an object of passionate devotion, whether material or imagined. Generally speaking, idolatry is the veneration, love, worship, or adoration of an idol. It is usually practiced toward a real or supposed higher power, whether such power is believed to have animate existence (as a human, an animal, or an organization) or is inanimate (as a force or lifeless object of nature).]

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New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

by Quendi in

i know this has been discussed before, but i want to reopen the topic.

i am currently reading ray franz's memoir crisis of conscience and ran across this footnote with respect to the new world translation of the holy scriptures:.

"the new world translation bears no translator's name and is presented as the anonymous work of the "new world translation committee.

BereanThinker7

For the "old testament" I still often use the NWT, for the "new testament" I have found the Revised English Version quite nice. It is a version the also restores the Divine where the tetragrammaton originally appeared, the usually use Yahweh.

I think obviously using a variety of translations is best to get a real sense of things. You can find the REV here. . . https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/ and they have a user friendly app for mobile, that I find much less annoying than jw.borgs app lol

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The Site is Going Down!!!

by BereanThinker7 in

so i'm sure many of us here have used the site https://ad1914.com/, apparently the domain had expired.

this site was instrumental to my waking up.

i have been able to use it to direct others to as well since it had a large collection of matters dealing with the validity of the "gentile times" claim.

BereanThinker7

Glad to see the site back up! Time to dig into some obscure research again lol!

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The Site is Going Down!!!

by BereanThinker7 in

so i'm sure many of us here have used the site https://ad1914.com/, apparently the domain had expired.

this site was instrumental to my waking up.

i have been able to use it to direct others to as well since it had a large collection of matters dealing with the validity of the "gentile times" claim.

BereanThinker7

So I'm sure many of us here have used the site https://ad1914.com/, apparently the domain had expired. This site was instrumental to my waking up. I have been able to use it to direct others to as well since it had a large collection of matters dealing with the validity of the "gentile times" claim. It also had a lot of great first hand experiences.

I would hate to see it disappear. Anyone here no who runs it?

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Does anyone know what became of...

by sooner7nc in

ray franz's personal secretary charles ploeger?

funny thing is that my boss and good friend is his nephew..

BereanThinker7

bump???