@MicaSmith I can't speak for Si but pm me the links and maybe there's something there I can point out for you. Simon is generally very balanced so I wouldn't take this personal. People have a tendency to take this sort of deal personal. Could be a simple thing you missed or maybe even a mistake.
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Question On Links To Other Sites.
by MicaSmith indear forum members:.
i have read through the rules on what can be posted and what is disallowed.
i believe that i have not posted anything that disrespects those standards.
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Hadriel
It's within my legal rights that this thread be deleted or else, or else I'll be back; Under a covert ID and numerous other IDs that will get very personal with the moderators of this forum.
You apparently never got beyond the first two paragraphs of the terms (see below). With your statement you're already indicating intent to break the terms. And just for the record if requested I will use my IT expertise/talents to track your butt down if you do anything malicious or outside the terms. You had your fun move along. You're likely a JW it would be a real bummer for you to get exposed I would imagine.
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Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program
by thedepressedsoul inwow this is interesting!
i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.
they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.
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Hadriel
You've been studying Koine? What you're disputing is in the Hebrew scriptures, Koine is Greek!
So you're saying the old testament wasn't written in Greek in the Codex Vaticanus? You might want to inform the Vatican that the treasure they've been storing for centuries is missing a few pages...
Plus of course many many more translated manuscripts into Greek.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint_manuscripts
..and just for completeness here's the hebrew with pronunciation and definition.
http://discovertheword.org/2010/10/18/the-hebrew-term-hesed-and-what-it-means-for-our-lives-today/
...anything else @Robo????
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@Dystopia your cavalier manner regarding failed reportings of child abuse when it is required by law is well sickening. How would you feel if your child was raped yet you were told NOT to report it to the police or you might be disfellowshipped? Guess what that's happened to thousands. Or are the millions upon millions of dollars paid out because everyone is lying?
Why did the BOE audit letter in November specifically ask Elders to destroy notes i.e. EVIDENCE regarding child rape cases? Could that be because the Watchtower is preparing for many many more lawsuits and is attempting to cover their butts? I'll give you two guesses and the first two don't count.
...no there is not hate for Jehovah's Witnesses there's hate for the dangerous policies that break bible laws and affect people's lives irrevocably. The problem is that we have been influenced to always defend the organization rather than people.
For those of us that have endured abuse, had a child abused or dealt with abuse and have a heavy conscience and so on the cavalier manner in which you speak is simply unacceptable.
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Defining What is the Truth about the Truth of the Jehovah's Witnesses Religion
by Finkelstein inin an endeavor to clearly define the truth about the truth of the jw religion, whats your personal perception of what you understand of how this religion came to be, in its inherit beginning and how it was able to sustain itself over the years ?
from my own perspective i think the strategic actions by its founding leaders to draw attention to their own published works such as the singular endeavors starting from c t russell and onward.
the self proposing recognition by people such as j rutherford, that god had specifically (1919) chosen " his " organization exclusively, is really where and when this assuming man made power began and continued to flourish.. but the real significant thing that created attention to the public's eyes and imagination was when both russell and rutherford proclaimed that christ had returned and he had started to divide and choose who was going to be saved from destruction and live on in a earthly paradise and who was to be killed at the soon to come day of judgement.
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Doctrine is only good for those that served in some capacity as an Elder, MS, C.O., D.O. pioneer etc. You have to have a deep understanding of the doctrine to start with before you can unwind it as false.
More often than not a personal experience or experience they are aware of where someone was treated unjustly or shown no love has greater effect than doctrine.
The ARC and the UK charity commissions among others that are sure to pop up are likely to have quite the effect over time.
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My jw friend keeps preaching to me in e-mails
by Queenme indear friends this is my first time posting.
i am not a jw and have never been one but i have a friend who married a jw and converted.
in spite of the bunk barometer going off in my brain over the years and never responding to her efforts to convert me, she just cannot stop preaching.
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@Finkelstein although I totally agree with you unfortunately dealing with JW's is a one way conversation. They're allowed to preach to you but you not them.
So if you want to maintain the relationship the best way I've found is to at a minimum take them down a notch with some facts that can't be disputed. At least then they can justify why you feel as you do in their own minds. If you're really fortunately they'll be shaken to reality but don't hold your breath.
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Facing mortality after leaving the witnesses
by truthseeker intell me i'm not overly thinking this.. i'm 39 years old...still youngish...but i worry about getting old.
i look in the mirror and it depresses me.
i suppose i still cling to watchtower utopia when no one would age over 25.. i used to look forward to paradise earth because it meant all the evil in the world, nuclear warfare, terrorist attacks and sickos would be no more, but we are deep in the 21st century with no end in sight.. appreciate your comments.
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I genuinely look at it this way. While fully indoctrinated I couldn't do a think about it. I mean I had no control. Be a decent person, do right by folks and hope that Jah wrote me in the book of life.
What's changed? Nothing really. I'm still the same person. Generally kind, generous etc. I have no control over things I have no control over.
Hence I worry about the time I have and let the chips fall as they may.
Seriously to me I'm in the same boat I've always been in only I don't believe in unicorns now. :)
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JW Chef Refuses to Cook Black Pudding
by cofty insainsbury's has been forced to apologise after its jehovah's witness chef refused to serve a customer black pudding with his full english breakfast.alan mackay was stunned when he was told he could not enjoy the staple, made up of animal fat, blood and oatmeal, with his meal at the branch in arnold, nottingham.after receiving his incomplete dish the former police officer was told the black pudding would not be served because it was against the religious beliefs of the chef to do so....
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My jw friend keeps preaching to me in e-mails
by Queenme indear friends this is my first time posting.
i am not a jw and have never been one but i have a friend who married a jw and converted.
in spite of the bunk barometer going off in my brain over the years and never responding to her efforts to convert me, she just cannot stop preaching.
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Hadriel
Tell her you'd like to study if she can answer a few things that are troubling you. Tell her that the reason you've not engage much with her is that these things are tough to understand.
1. JW's taught for years that the United Nations was the scarlet colored wild beast mentioned in Revelation. Yet for 10 years they were a member of said organization. Only when a news story was uncovered did they retract from their membership.
2. JW's teach that they are the only true religion and God's only channel, yet Governing Body member Geoffrey Jackson at the Australian Royal Commission investigating Jehovah's Witnesses and their 1000 plus child rape cases never reported, said that witnesses were not God's only channel.
3. JW's teach that the eating of blood is improper, I would agree in speaking of eating animals they should absolutely be bled properly however when incorporating life saving blood transfusions in this ban seems to put this law above the sanctity of life. Additionally in Leviticus 17:15,16 the penalty for eating blood was to essentially bathe and be unclean until the end of the day yet if a witness willfully takes blood to save their lives they're disfellowshipped. How is this consistent with the punishment laid out by God?
4. JW's have taught that they were chosen in 1919 by Jesus as stewards for his people. Yet most of the teachings at the time of choosing have been abandoned and worse yet been proven blatantly false. For example in the Finished Mystery it was taught that the last days started in 1799 NOT 1914, That the Alpha and the Omega was Jesus. that the one riding the white horse was the Pope, that the Leviathan was the locomotive and many many other things that have been completely abandoned. Not to mention would be likely considered apostasy today. Just because it is old doesn't mean it is invalid for if it is than the 2600 old bible should be considered invalid as well.
5. JW's teach that only they will survive. God will essentially kill 7 billion plus and only save Jehovah's Witnesses. This despite the fact that there are thousands of religions, 100's of bible translations and it is the luck of the draw if a person chooses the correct one. If God gives us freewill then the person must choose among millions of combinations hoping they get it right or they are destined to die.
In the above questions they are impossible to answer. Many of these were posed to me by a study I had no way of answering them which caused me to come to my senses. However there is no guarantee as some are actually attracted to the idea of the truth rather than the actual truth.
All the best...
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Pshycos! - 2016 "Remain Loyal to Jehovah" Regional Convention Program
by thedepressedsoul inwow this is interesting!
i think how much emphasis this puts on "loyalty" shows their is an issue.
they're trying to plug the wholes as much and quickly as possible.
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@thedepressedsoul - I don't disagree. My comment is related to whether the translation is accurate or not. It is for this case. For the past roughly two years I've been studying Koine and from my research it's accurate.
That said I absolutely see your point as well.
