Posts by Hadriel

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I need some advise

by Lost his mind in

following is a letter i am going to send to the entire family both jw and non.

i would like to get your advice on whether i should do it.

my husband has told me before to voice my complaints but i have yet.

Hadriel

Very reluctant when it comes to marriage advice. I'll say this though if the issue is your husband speaking with them really your family is irrelevant. Got to the source.

Husband "this isn't working when there's interference, can we please politely ask them to stick to pleasantries and no religion for a while and see if we can't just work on ourselves for a while? I care about our promise to one another and would like this opportunity.".

I agree with others in that asking them to stop will only put up red flags causing them to call into action the JW family members as they'll feel they need to attempt to get your husband to return to Jehovah.

Best to petition him Put the onus on him so that the two of you have the opportunity to make it right between yourselves.

Wish you the best.

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Evolution Hole #1 - Origin of Life

by shadow in

disclaimer: my graduate degree is in business, not science so i'm writing as a layman in this field.

yes, i know that someone is going to say that evolution does not encompass this topic and should be sectioned off under abiogenesis.

i'm not trying to argue semantics here but it seems like a case of avoiding an uncomfortable subject.

Hadriel

@cofty just being devils advocate here but just as an example.

The following is from an excerpt from pbs.org. It's listed under "Evolution, How Did Life Begin". Saying a catalyst event is in no way relevant to evolution is a bit of an oxymoron to me. Without the starting point of amino acids, proteins, single cell orgs etc. there's no evolution to talk about. We wouldn't be here according to evolutionists. To me common sense says you need the catalyst event, as without it discussing evolution is a moot point.

Although I believe you can have a conversation about evolution without this start event, evolution requires a start event (whatever flavor you wish to believe) for it to be possible. That of course is unless you believe evolution has always existed! Problem there is evolutionists believe the earth is roughly 4 billion years old. If it had a start then so did evolution. What is the catalyst then?

In a nutshell, what is the process? How does life form?

The short answer is we don't really know how life originated on this planet. There have been a variety of experiments that tell us some possible roads, but we remain in substantial ignorance. That said, I think what we're looking for is some kind of molecule that is simple enough that it can be made by physical processes on the young Earth, yet complicated enough that it can take charge of making more of itself. That, I think, is the moment when we cross that great divide and start moving toward something that most people would recognize as living.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/how-did-life-begin.html

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Evolution Hole #1 - Origin of Life

by shadow in

disclaimer: my graduate degree is in business, not science so i'm writing as a layman in this field.

yes, i know that someone is going to say that evolution does not encompass this topic and should be sectioned off under abiogenesis.

i'm not trying to argue semantics here but it seems like a case of avoiding an uncomfortable subject.

Hadriel

With @Anders here you simply can't take a hard and fast position and feel satisfied that there is unequivocally no evidence of the contrary opinion.

If your honest about I just don't see where either side of the coin is absolute.

You may feel strongly one way or the other but I don't think that equates to an absolute position.

Honestly now that I've left I don't feel the need to be right as it were either. What if neither position is right?

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Evolution Hole #1 - Origin of Life

by shadow in

disclaimer: my graduate degree is in business, not science so i'm writing as a layman in this field.

yes, i know that someone is going to say that evolution does not encompass this topic and should be sectioned off under abiogenesis.

i'm not trying to argue semantics here but it seems like a case of avoiding an uncomfortable subject.

Hadriel

Humans are notorious for slanting evidence to support their position and disregarding evidence to the contrary.

Well if we take anything from this topic this should be it.

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Evolution Hole #1 - Origin of Life

by shadow in

disclaimer: my graduate degree is in business, not science so i'm writing as a layman in this field.

yes, i know that someone is going to say that evolution does not encompass this topic and should be sectioned off under abiogenesis.

i'm not trying to argue semantics here but it seems like a case of avoiding an uncomfortable subject.

Hadriel

Just as a matter of clarity here, I'm no expert in the area whatsoever, however when I think of evolution I do also think of how evolution started. Perhaps where the bridge is gapped is in that there is more than one there theory as to how it kicked off. The point is abiogenesis sometimes gets bundled with other theories. At least for me that's how I think of it. it's I'm sure technically wrong.

In short I don't see how evolution (natural selection, life creating life yada yada) happens without some sort of event where non-living elements result in protozoan that then subsequently all life was formed.

It started somehow regardless of what you call it.

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Evolution Hole #1 - Origin of Life

by shadow in

disclaimer: my graduate degree is in business, not science so i'm writing as a layman in this field.

yes, i know that someone is going to say that evolution does not encompass this topic and should be sectioned off under abiogenesis.

i'm not trying to argue semantics here but it seems like a case of avoiding an uncomfortable subject.

Hadriel

Evolution requires Abiogenesis or there is no evolution hence why it's always lumped in. At least in my mind. I think it's reasonable to do so for the simple fact you can't get to evolution without it. Creation doesn't requires such an event for obvious reasons.

...my degree is in computer science. At least mine has "science" in it LOL.

Joking aside I think to have a fair discussion you sort of have to concede in having abiogenesis/evolution handcuffed together since you cannot have the later without the former.

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"Even if it isn't the truth, it's still the best way to live"

by Simon in

have you heard that old chestnut?

i have.. typically it's the last resort when you have dismantled a jws beliefs and they have no way of defending them.

they know they are beat so they come out with that one.. its effectively an admission that you are right and they have no argument but they are still going to attend meetings because they like the social club.. what a lame way to defend your faith..

Hadriel

Embarrassingly I've said the same. You're exactly right, its the response when not much else can be said.

The further I get away the more I realize others who have never been inside the organization live just as clean and moral lives.

With the exception of an additional expletive or two most out are similar to those in. You have the same self-righteous types, the same arrogant types, the same gossiper types and so on.

There are benefits as to how you're raised as a JW but I'm finding many that are just as well mannered and have never seen the inside of a Kingdom Hall.

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Evolution is a Fact #10 - Non-Coding DNA

by cofty in

every cell in your body contains a big book of how to build another you.. although it's approximately 3 billion letters long only a small fraction of it contains instructions on making humans.. imagine trying to use a workshop manual but it reads like somebody messed up at the publishers.

there are a few paragraphs of meaningful text followed by pages of gibberish, another page or so of useful instructions then 9 more of random words.

some of it looks like copies of original text but full of typing errors.

Hadriel

I could sum up the above in one sentence.

Where is the proof of evolution in humans today? I don't see it.

See if evolution is perpetual (constant changes) over many many years certainly many thousands or perhaps millions of years ago a change would have been catapult into action to where we'd see existence of this over the past several centuries, yet nada.

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Evolution is a Fact #10 - Non-Coding DNA

by cofty in

every cell in your body contains a big book of how to build another you.. although it's approximately 3 billion letters long only a small fraction of it contains instructions on making humans.. imagine trying to use a workshop manual but it reads like somebody messed up at the publishers.

there are a few paragraphs of meaningful text followed by pages of gibberish, another page or so of useful instructions then 9 more of random words.

some of it looks like copies of original text but full of typing errors.

Hadriel

One of the things that always gets me about evolution is that of perpetuation. Now I appreciate it is slow and deliberate over many years however how does evolution explain the lack of perpetuating change in humans. Why the sudden stop? Why aren't humans still evolving?

With the ruins found at Gobekli Tepe some 12,000 years ago, other than how we procure food, we are much the same. Industrious, religious and human. I get this isn't a vast amount of time in the grand scheme not my point here.

The point I'm making is we don't really see any signs of the perpetuation of evolution in humans. We are still humans with largely the same races even. Ethiopians/Africans date back millions. Still indigenous to the same area.

So where's the change? Where's the perpetuation of evolution in evidence in our day.

Too bad I can't be around in a few thousand years to see humans grow densely thick skin and extra eyelids to combat the deterioration of the Earth's atmosphere that's letting harmful rays in.

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New Light: Clap when it is given a Reinstatement ad

by TheTruthBR in

jw
friends

a new letter was posted in jw.org to the elders who are under the brazilian branch:.

january 25, 2016to all bodies of eldersref .

: clap when given a readmission addear brothers:we would like to inform you about a recent adjustment.

Hadriel

@juandefiero I don't have the ref. but that is categorically accurate.