Posts by Hadriel

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Those of us going to memorial

by All for show in

jw
friends

how are you feeling?.

we weren't going... but a confrontation with family blew things up.

we decided we are going- because we are planning on moving and this is the last jw thing.

Hadriel

I'm thinking of rolling in with sandals and shorts, then partaking. Think anyone will get the point lol.

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My Personal Invitation to the Celebration of the Lord's Evening Meal

by TMS in

by no means is this a heartwarming "experience" illustrating how an ex-jw skillfully "reached the heart" of a current jw, moving them to re-examine their belief system.

that won't be my take on my half hour visit with an elder's wife last sunday.

no one scored points here as is almost always the case in these interactions.. we live at the extreme southern tip of texas, on the u.s.-mexico border in a city of about 200,000. twenty years ago there were 20 spanish language congregations, 2 english.

Hadriel

The Borg would say "resistance is futile".

...but when it comes to Witnesses it is better said:

"persistence is futile"

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Why is this year's memorial being held on March 23 (which is the 13th of Adar II on the Jewish Calendar)?

by outsmartthesystem in

i thought it had to be done on nisan 14????.

nisan 14 isn't until april 22nd.

does this have anything to do with an intercalary month being added to the jewish calendar this year or something?

Hadriel

The Sanhedrin of Jesus day accounted for such times as this where the closes new moon to the spring equinox would be in such a way that the barley was not ready to harvest. Why is this important and why was this criteria required also?

Jesus said "take life's water free" while celebrating the Festival of Tabernacles. Hence precedence is set in that Jesus observed this holiday or gave it some importance. It seems reasonable then to follow the 13th adjustment month much like the Sanhedrin would have in order to keep the festivals in tact as to date.

How would you have for example the festival of firstfruits when the barley could not be harvested yet? You can check the barley report in Jerusalem yourself.

Under the current date the Watchtower has chosen for the memorial I see no way possible to correlate the rest of the festivals appropriately. Leviticus 23:39 for example discusses when the Festival of Tabernacles was to be. I don't see how this festival could have been celebrated and still follow this command from God given the date the Watchtower has chosen if Jesus were alive today.

I think the issue here lies in the fact that the Watchtower has chosen to take only one piece of criteria the Sanhedrin used back in Jesus day as opposed to all the criteria use to ensure proper celebration dates.

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The Modern Exodus: Perception or Reality?

by Hadriel in

i'm completely new at this however just in my joining this forum and of course interacting with others i can't help but notice what appears to be a significant exodus from the organization.. for those of you that have long been in this game have you seen this before?

i'm really curious and we should refrain from the sensational, but is what we're seeing different than in years past?.

it sure seems like so so many are waking and leaving.

Hadriel

@Simon in all sincerity you'd have a way better handle on this than I. My sample size is well not exactly large ha ha.

...and ur right they'll just keep moving the goal posts and people will still buy it. I just think with 1914 eventually you just run out of scenarios. I can't see where they can go anywhere from the overlapping deal. I don't see where they can come up with another "this generation" scenario.

My guess is the next light will be complete abandonment. However they've abandoned things before around the turn of the century and people still stayed so maybe it's all just a dream.

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Halfway House: Assisting Youths that Cannot Afford To Live On Own

by Hadriel in

has anyone considered a halfway house of sorts for youths who really have nowhere to go?

i'm not speaking of underage teenagers there's not much you can do there.. i'm speaking of someone that's 18, 19 or early 20's.

it's tough to get on your own feet when you have no family support at that age.

Hadriel

Oh it wouldn't be easy at all. I get that. Partly why I pose the question.

Just happen to know of a couple kids that are really stuck. They desperately want out but can't afford it.

No doubt tho it would get really sticky and as you say just a ton to work out. I guess I just feel bad for them

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The Modern Exodus: Perception or Reality?

by Hadriel in

i'm completely new at this however just in my joining this forum and of course interacting with others i can't help but notice what appears to be a significant exodus from the organization.. for those of you that have long been in this game have you seen this before?

i'm really curious and we should refrain from the sensational, but is what we're seeing different than in years past?.

it sure seems like so so many are waking and leaving.

Hadriel

@Simon yeah I agree with everything you said in general and you're right usually there's something that happens which affects them directly.

However more are leaving not because they were dealt with but because as you said it doesn't pass the directed by God test.

Things are starting to pile up is the point and you can't hide it anymore. Stuff is too accessible and it will only get worse. More and more child abuse stuff will mount. It will for sure affect several as it is already.

I still say the generations teach could be the reason for the biggest exodus. Why? That teaching has never been moved off of. why? Because too much has been made of it. You move from it and although some may buy it I'm betting most won't. It is just too integral.

Think about how many say "when 1914 fell for me that was it". Now imagine the society itself finally having to admit in 60 years or so that they had the generations deal wrong. It will be catastrophic. Most of us unfortunately won't be here to see it.

At least that's my .02

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The Modern Exodus: Perception or Reality?

by Hadriel in

i'm completely new at this however just in my joining this forum and of course interacting with others i can't help but notice what appears to be a significant exodus from the organization.. for those of you that have long been in this game have you seen this before?

i'm really curious and we should refrain from the sensational, but is what we're seeing different than in years past?.

it sure seems like so so many are waking and leaving.

Hadriel

Closing those branches is significant however if say Germany or the UK closes or becomes a complete shell that will be very telling.

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Halfway House: Assisting Youths that Cannot Afford To Live On Own

by Hadriel in

has anyone considered a halfway house of sorts for youths who really have nowhere to go?

i'm not speaking of underage teenagers there's not much you can do there.. i'm speaking of someone that's 18, 19 or early 20's.

it's tough to get on your own feet when you have no family support at that age.

Hadriel

Has anyone considered a halfway house of sorts for youths who really have nowhere to go? I'm not speaking of underage teenagers there's not much you can do there.

I'm speaking of someone that's 18, 19 or early 20's. It's tough to get on your own feet when you have no family support at that age. At least today it is I imagine.

Sort of serious here. I've thought about this for a while. Heard of a few that feel really trapped for this very reason. They need a little financial support and a safe place but have nowhere to go.

I wonder if this could be achieved.

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2016 Formula 1 Season is Go, Go, Go !!!

by Simon in

i love formula one :).

here's to a great 2016 season !.

Hadriel

Real men drive Fords and Chevys lol.

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The Modern Exodus: Perception or Reality?

by Hadriel in

i'm completely new at this however just in my joining this forum and of course interacting with others i can't help but notice what appears to be a significant exodus from the organization.. for those of you that have long been in this game have you seen this before?

i'm really curious and we should refrain from the sensational, but is what we're seeing different than in years past?.

it sure seems like so so many are waking and leaving.

Hadriel

The overlapping generations will be the eventual undoing however it take 50 years or more still. The current GB won't have to worry about answering for it which is sad but eventually with so much hinging on 1914 even if the overlapped contemporaries don't reach max age I think as that clock winds down you'll see many completely lose faith.

I don't think it is a coincidence that the teaching is such that the current GB will be long gone before it ever has a chance to see fruition. They'll never have to answer for a lick of it which is rather irritating to me.