Posts by Hadriel

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Is Larry Graham an Elder?

by ShirleyW in

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i think he is, but i"m not too sure.

just wondering because looking at that purple pimp outfit with hat that he wore to prince's memorial, i wonder if he ever gave a talk wearing the same outfit, when i've read here that some brothers were talked to for wearing a pastel colored shirt while giving a talk..

Hadriel

Last I heard yes. Reg. pioneer at one point etc.

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Celebrities , Adulation , Lifestyle , is this for Jehovah`s Witnesses ? Isn`t it a form of Idolatory ?

by smiddy in

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of course this thread is inspired by princes sad death , yet i wonder how the average j.w.

nowadays.. from what i have gleaned from the many threads about his death their seems to be a reverence about him even on pro-j.w.

sites.. i have been out for about 25 years , yet in my time in the "truth" anything that put you on a pedestal was a no , no.. competition in any form was discouraged , sports especially.

Hadriel

Back in the day we had congregations playing other congregations in football. it got pretty serious. Was like the dang super bowl. It was awesome but of course it got squashed.

Total tangent here just made me think of it.

Interestingly image and positioning of such has become of importance whereas this would have been a no no in years past. Such a different organization now.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

Then let's discuss abiogenesis and chemical evolution, without needlessly conflating the discussion with biological evolution or supposed supernatural entities.

Never said you had to said you can't rule it out. And never said "God" because that's an assumption also. Considering the amount of suffering in the world if there was an intelligent being he/she/it may not be as most see them.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

@Jehalapeno I think you forgot that latter part "The Deal Breaker"

There was no chicanery here. I was open and honest about the stop gap for me personally.

Quite frankly I'm astonished that many refuse to admit the obvious here. Whatever the starting factors were, they are needed in order to see fruition.

Without the starting even there is no evolution. There is no creation nada

I'd love to have a conversation about the science behind what or how evolution began.

My apologies that it is a tough topic, doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed just because it's hard or you don't have a definitive response.

In my brief research and I plan on doing much more, this is a serious problem for evolution and hence why so many want to act as though they are separate animals. I don't see it that way since you need this event in order to start evolution.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

I'd really like to get back to the original topic at hand here.

Theories around RNA and other concepts as the catalyst. That's really what I'm interested in.

I posted the topic honestly and yet here we are...

Given there are serious unknowns its all on the table.

But again I'm particularly interested in the concepts which caused simple amino acids to be charged resulting in proteins which begin chaining and building life.

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More sad news for Music - first Prince, now Kayne West

by Simon in

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http://imgur.com/gallery/wos91xl.

Hadriel

Nicely played.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

I don't think I can be more clear.

I don't see where evidence of evolution means it could only be brought about by happenstance.

I could have been brought about by intelligence. Whatever the hell that intelligence is. Don't assume that means God.

Without knowing this key factor no one can say definitively.

Saying it doesn't matter is convenient for the narrative.

Was really hoping for more discussion about this key point, but what I hear is "it doesn't matter". I don't see how that's remotely reasonable or wise for that matter.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

Inserting an intelligent agency as a default answer is totally unscientific.

...but insisting the theory of happenstance is? that is not realistic.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

@IslandMan I totally get that. I'm not being difficult here. The problem for me is without knowing or being able to prove the initial catalyst I'm simply not able to say that well because of this evidentiary support that it means only one possible source.

That's what evolutionists want. Common ancestry and genetic code means only one catalyst or origin. That is unwise.

Are you guys telling me that you know unequivocally that the common genetic code we see that it could have only started one possible way, that being happenstance?

Given we don't know....THAT is ignorant in my opinion.

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Evolution: The Deal Breaker

by Hadriel in

first off i do believe there are some evidences of evolution or i should probably say adaptation.

i do believe this exists in various forms.. however the deal breaker for me with evolution is the chick or egg problem.

there are tons of theories that get passed around as proof of evolution however these are usually examples much further down the evolutionary chain.. what i mean is let's start at the beginning!

Hadriel

Lots of people conveniently want to exclude the initial catalyst.

I'm more than happy to admit that there is evidence of evolution.

You are unwilling to admit that intelligence could have kicked off the whole thing.

Just because not knowing this initial driver doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

It's like taking any animate object and saying well it's chemical makeup proves no on had a hand in making it. You simply can't make that claim without proving that it's makeup can come about by happenstance.

We need to know the catalyst to rule out that intelligence was not involved.

That's how I see it. I don't see how this is unreasonable.