@Desirous I think this will change in the very near future. The U.S. is becoming far more progressive and inclusive by the minute. Some of the religious shenanigans of the past are coming to an end IMO.
Hadriel
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Request your S-77or S-79 if you have been disfellowshiped or disassociated from the Branch Office
by Paul Bonanno inif you have been disfellowshiped or disassociated you can request a copy of the s-77 or s-79 from the branch office to see what the elders wrote.. if you write to the british branch they will ask you to pay £10 and a copy of your identification card or letter by your lawyer..
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Young JW's attitudes
by Phizzy ini met an old friend last evening, a great guy, an xjw for longer than me.. during a conversation about our experiences since fading (neither of us are da'd or anything) we got to talking about the young jw's.. his wife is still in, and he has two lovely daughters who he is trying to teach the art of critical thinking so that they can make the right choice in the future.. what worries him though is that he is convinced almost all young jw's do not give a "proverbial" if it is the truth or not, they simply wish to remain in it because of the social aspects, loads of friends and activities that they feel safe partaking in etc etc.. so how do you convince these young people that they would have a better life if they left ?.
they see it as losing all their friends, and being alone and trying to build new relationships, which is mostly true.. how do we convince them to make the leap ?.
should they ?.
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Hadriel
Remember what life was like as a late teen or even early twenties if you were a JW at that time. You're friends were it. You went out on weekends during the week you name it all the time.
It was everything. As a young JW you have a built in social system. They pretty much have to welcome you in to some degree. In the real world friends take more work because they don't have to agree with you.
The solution I believe is time. Skillfully showing the blatant faults of the org in a systematic manner without emotion has worked for us, however there is still real drawn to what they know.
I trust that the real truth has hit their heart and that in time as life goes on, they go to college, find a mate and so on the reality that it is false will be inescapable as friends just aren't the priority anymore.
At least this is our experience so far!
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2016 Revised bethel visitors 'dress code' pamphlet?
by neat blue dog indoes anybody have a digital copy of the revised bethel visitors 'dress code' pamphlet from this year?.
thanks.
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Hadriel
Don't have a problem with a code in general however this pretty much sends the message that if you don't have the money to have clothes to the measure of detail their showing then don't come.
That is not right. Many families particularly with little boys can't afford to put them in full suit and tie with dress shoes.
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New CSA Questionare
by william hahn inhey guys in the just leaked csa form for reporting child abuse cases in the footnotes there is reference to a elder position in every bethel called a "safeguarding elder.
does anyone have info on this position?
thx.
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Hadriel
...well it ain't about "safeguarding" children.
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Changes & Clarifications on our belief. DOMINO EFFECT blamed for late coming into print
by TheWonderofYou inin the august broadcast bro splane explains this point deeper.. when the brothers are sitting together and joyfully speaking about clarification of jw belief, they often encounter and deal with that "domino-effect" when one scripture has effects on others.
so all changes are carefully considered before they come into print, one after the other but late.. lately he mentions the "godfathers" brother jaracz , barr as good examples of reading the bible progressivly, they were very progressive at there time.
what ever this could mean he did not explain it?.
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Hadriel
The very "Domino Effect" that they discuss excludes them from being God's channel. If he were using them wouldn't he, that being God, have already sorted out the dominos????
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Fading: The One Year Mark
by Hadriel inafter fading for roughly a year now there's some good and some bad.
the bad.
it is becoming increasingly difficult to go to meetings.
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Hadriel
Yes the immediate fam is out. Yes there has been positive things but lots of headache too. You're not alone is the point.
My biggest suggestion would be to get involved with things in your community. Take a vacation stay busy and the guilt and shame we feel from this terrible indoctrination slowly recedes and you begin to find happiness.
There really hasn't been a magic formula other than that.
For those in your family that are in, what I did is said well here are 5 things I found to be absolutely factual, you are welcome to prove them false, but if true you can understand why I feel the way I do.
That seemed to be very powerful.
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Fading: The One Year Mark
by Hadriel inafter fading for roughly a year now there's some good and some bad.
the bad.
it is becoming increasingly difficult to go to meetings.
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Hadriel
You know Anders I was thinking that was the case!
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Fading: The One Year Mark
by Hadriel inafter fading for roughly a year now there's some good and some bad.
the bad.
it is becoming increasingly difficult to go to meetings.
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Hadriel
Forgot to add in the process I got one of my relatives out!!!
Probably one of the best things of the process. It has helped tremendously. I'm a fairly tough bird as they say but this whole deal can make you needy right quick. Having one of your own that you can share things with now has been quite refreshing.
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Fading: The One Year Mark
by Hadriel inafter fading for roughly a year now there's some good and some bad.
the bad.
it is becoming increasingly difficult to go to meetings.
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Hadriel
After fading for roughly a year now there's some good and some bad.
The Bad
It is becoming increasingly difficult to go to meetings. Very difficult to control eye rolls, shoulder shrugs and shaking your head in disbelief of the things you're hearing. Children find it difficult to branch out to others. Very hard for them. Can't lie it is a long arduous process. Increasingly have the feeling it might be better to just cut bait but the unfortunate reality of having really your family ripped from you keeps you from pulling the trigger.
The Good
Initially your mind tells you it's all nonsense but there's still the temptation what if there's some shred of truth to it. However that as of months ago has been very fleeting. You become so certain that the entire ideology is false that you give it less and less thought. At this point it is comical. I will say this as the view gets further in the distance you see more and more from your new perspective that you realize how well this organization is really run. They are masterful at controlling information and well minds.
In the end I feel pretty stupid at times that I was ever swept up in the whole thing. Sure I was born in but I had plenty of opportunities to fact check but like most I didn't for fear of reprisal upon asking questions. Although I will probably always have some measure of activism the likelihood of continuing at a regular pace seems like only giving more time to this dangerous religion.
I'm still the same person. Not much has changed if at all.
Given all that we have it's time to simply be a good human being and live life.
H
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Network / Datacenter issues causing high latency
by Simon inthat means "the site is slow but it's not my fault and there's nothing i can do about it".
well, i've upped the instance configuration to see if that will help.. i'm sure google are working on the issue.
probably not by randomly wiggling cables and turning things off and on like i solve network problems but hey, they're the experts..
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Hadriel
@slimboyfat - I won't get into all the logistics of why but @simon is doing the right thing. Not sure about the last incarnation but w/ labors of love a lot of it comes down to time and manageability too. As to speed in the no so distant future I think you'll be pleased by what's in the hopper etc.