@Mephis - I struggled to make sense of what I read to be honest. That could have been your fault or mine. From what I understand you were disagreeing with me and trying to make it sound like I'm cheering on laws that squash freedom of speech or freedoms of other groups to express themselves etc. which is not the case. For the record, I'm not a fan of the P. prince or his methods. Quite frankly he lets his ego take him to war like a fool but that's another conversation. If you say we're agreeing, then cool!
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Watchtower go full on propaganda!
by David Graham ini see the watchtower are getting extremely desperate now.http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/25503-injustice-abounds-for-our-dear-russian-brothers/check out the professionally edited video, using professional equipment!
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Was Adam "born" Circumsized ?
by RubaDub ini guess we have to assume that jesus was circumcised on the 8th day but what about adam?
he was "perfect", so did he have the weenie cut or not?.
i would like to bring this question up at a "get-together".. rub a dub .
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Skedaddle
@Talesin; ''is circumcision compulsary in islam'' pop this into google and loads of sources pop up. I'm at work so don't have the time to read through and find you a good source but the first source from that google search is from BBC Islam which states;
''Circumcision is not compulsory in Islam but it is an important ritual aimed at improving cleanliness. It is strongly encouraged but not enforced. The ritual dates back to the time of the Prophet Muhammad. According to tradition Muhammad was born without a foreskin (aposthetic).Aug 13, 2009''.
I have someone next to me who is Islamic. He says all Islamic people agree with the above but there are lotsof nutters who distort it to make it compulsory as a controlling mechanism (think how cults work).
Pay attention to the word ''tradition'' in your source from wiki. It always says tradition because it is NOT in the Qu'ran.
To put into perspective, it's not a sin to not be circumcised for an Islamic person. It's a choice. It's a tradition.
Hope this helps.
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Was Adam "born" Circumsized ?
by RubaDub ini guess we have to assume that jesus was circumcised on the 8th day but what about adam?
he was "perfect", so did he have the weenie cut or not?.
i would like to bring this question up at a "get-together".. rub a dub .
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@talesin "Interesting that Islam also requires the practice (another religion that demonizes sex)." In the interests of fairness, this is not true. Islam is not interested in c@cks:) In the Qu'ran it does not mention circumcision. However it is believed that Mohammed was born circumcised and a lot want to emulate him by having circumcision ops. So it is a tradition but not a command. Any requirement of circumcision by any sect of islam is a distortion of islam as it is not mentioned in the Qu'ran. -
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News Flash: New Reveal Article
by Sugar Shane inless than an hour old:.
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-child-sex-abusers-get-reinstated-as-jehovahs-witnesses/.
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Skedaddle
I skipped a few pages so apologies if someone has already said this but here is my humble view;
1. Any religion seeking privilage for confidentiality when sins are confessed where a CRIME by law has been committed is SOLELY looking after it's own reputation and law writers should not let themselves be lobbied to allow it.
2. Any religion that offers a service to it's worshipers whereby sins can be confessed to a CRIME by law, and all will be confidential and said sin will be washed clean by god by way of said confession is SOLELY looking after their own reputation.
3. Offering spiritual help to a criminal should always exist and does so even inside prison.
4. Offering spiritual help to a criminal is a seperate thing from reporting a crime. They are mutually exclusive.
5. Mandatory reporting where a SERIOUS CRIME has been committed should be law.
6. Confidential helplines exist for anybody, victim or offender, looking for advice, or confession and these calls should be handled by trained proffessionals to seek information on crime and report any clues to a perpatrator where serious crime has been committed.
7. A sincere criminal feels he should pay for his crime. Anything else is not sincere, it's a game where the criminal is fooling himself.
8. Any religious body calling themselves the truth should NOT seek to offer refuge physically to a criminal. It is NOT their function. It is ONLY their function to offer spiritual refuge - which can be done throughout the whole process of confession to the police and detention and is quite rightly, their right!
9. For a religion to hide behind laws of the land instead of pioneering clean process is telling. They have a hand, in a game.
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Watchtower go full on propaganda!
by David Graham ini see the watchtower are getting extremely desperate now.http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/25503-injustice-abounds-for-our-dear-russian-brothers/check out the professionally edited video, using professional equipment!
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Skedaddle
There's about 10 twisted counter-arguments to make but I'm at work. I exclusively class JW's as extreme within your argument and do not see it as being related to any other religion or indeed any other community. If I was the leader of a country I would ban it on the grounds of mental health reasons. Whatever reason the Russky's have made could be not the full reason. I don't know as I haven't read about it. -
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What Is The Watchtower's Biggest Problem?
by minimus inthe organization has many problems.
certain doctrines are problematic.
the men who run the organizaion have issues.
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Their biggest issue is that they bought a second hand Mr. Whippy machine, filled it with perfumed, msg laced poop and started serving. Over time, yes they renewed the machine, indeed now they have 7... but instead of changing the poop to ice-cream they gave it branded packaging, increased the smelliness of the poop, increased the msg and swapped the perfume for EDT and started charging for it! People don't like Mr. Whippy turds on their cone... they want ice-cream!
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"Don't challenge Satan!"
by Funchback inwas this one of those jw urban legends at every hall?.
when i was 7 years old and began attending meetings, one of the first things i heard people say was "don't challenge satan!",.
i thought, 'what would happen if i challenged satan?
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Haha Funchback:) but I think you'll find that race was a three legged race and therefore it was Brian 1, Satan 0, Jehovah 0!
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A list of top You tubers out there worth visiting, please add yours.
by pleaseresearch ini'm an unbelieving but baptised jw.
i woke up to ttatt around 4 years ago.
i haven't been regular to meetings for nearly 10 years.
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Skedaddle
*thescrewedgeneration - brilliant name!
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Watchtower go full on propaganda!
by David Graham ini see the watchtower are getting extremely desperate now.http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/25503-injustice-abounds-for-our-dear-russian-brothers/check out the professionally edited video, using professional equipment!
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I'm all for freedom of speech, expression, to practice whatever religion etc. you want but when that is applied to a cult like JW's, who uses mind control, hate speech, lies and misdirections that separates families, kills people and leaves them with mental illness, just in order to keep it's members separate from society and make money, that freedom is abused by said cult and it's within the interests of the government to stop it as their capacity to look after the safety of the general public!
And that goes for any country!
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A list of top You tubers out there worth visiting, please add yours.
by pleaseresearch ini'm an unbelieving but baptised jw.
i woke up to ttatt around 4 years ago.
i haven't been regular to meetings for nearly 10 years.
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Skedaddle
This is a great thread! And it got me thinking, i know from experience that a lot of jdubs, especially born-ins are waking up from the cult but also need a secondary wake-up to the workings of the world. I'm a born-in, baptized, faded, family still in, awake of doctrination, free-minded person, haha! Interestingly enough, i woke up to the workings of the world first! Which then made me question my indoctrination to jdubs and then boom! Fully awake!
We tried this on my mum who's still in and got her to the point of saying even though it's not the truth i'm still staying but with my mum it's because she doesn't want to wake up. I won't go into it! Too complicated and harrowing!
Waking up to the world helps a lot when you're searching for your new beliefs and prevents you from falling into the trap of another stupid religion. Of course you have to research everything from now on which is fun and frustrating but it's addictive i find.
The very first thing i watched that made me start questioning everything was zeitgiest the movie. Since then i can't remember over the years how many videos i've watched that have helped me develop my understanding of how the world works, history, religion, spirituality, war, politics and science, business, psychology, mind control etc.
When you exit jdubs a lot never took education seriously and are left very naive to what's going on leaving them feeling helpless. So, maybe a list of question provoking videos can be made by someone more organized than i am lol? It would be great to have a double whammy experience of waking up fully in one go for someone! It certainly helps with being certain that jdubs are just another cult of which there are thousands! Once finished these two threads could be pinned and used as a direction tool for people struggling. Obvs the videos should be vetted for any obvs. Agenda.