Posts by Skedaddle

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15 Year Old Mormon Girl Tortured For Being Gay

by cofty in

alex cooper, a former mormon, offers a terrifying account of being held hostage for eight months in an unlicensed “residential treatment program” modeled on the many “therapeutic” boot camps scattered across utah.. at the mormon run “treatment center” alex was physically and verbally abused.

many days she was forced to stand facing a wall wearing a heavy backpack full of rocks.

she developed sores on her shoulders and cramps in her back.

Skedaddle

Eeek! This is awful! Poor Girl.

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Why Faith is Self-Defeating

by cofty in

the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

Skedaddle

And you just want an argument. I'm humble enough to leave this thread now. Because I ''KNOW''.

Peace

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Why Faith is Self-Defeating

by cofty in

the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

Skedaddle

You don't understand the word ''unknown''. So how am I even going to explain it to you? I picked to respond to you, specifically you because you seem to be the person who ''knows'' God doesn't exist on this forum with a knowledgable background and to ''know'' God doesn't exist you should have knowledge on physics and maths. You don't. Go and learn about Physics and Maths and then come back.

But...

I apologise sincerely Cofty, it was my fault. I thought you were 'top-dog' non-believer.

Peace

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Why Faith is Self-Defeating

by cofty in

the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

Skedaddle

@ Cofty - If I was starting to explain then it's oviously not a secret insight, is it?

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Why Faith is Self-Defeating

by cofty in

the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

Skedaddle

How can anybody be expected to follow your terms when you confuse the unrelated words "absolute" and "absolution"? Ah I see you updated your comment... but it's not strong enough for a responce.

Peace

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Why Faith is Self-Defeating

by cofty in

the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

Skedaddle

No it isn't unknown, it's just a daft question. Maths is a language. Dividing by zero is a sentence that makes as much sense as asking what is the colour of gravity?

Wrong! Go and research it.

I know the terms I just don't have the patience for the pointless Q&A

Your posts are a word salad of unconnected random ideas.

If you ever get the urge to succinctly join the dots I will be interested to consider your point.

No, they are connected because they exist in absolute. That's why listening and asking the right questions is important to understand.

I'm done.

Peace

(The peachy hue is for the ones who are searching for God and it's a clue which I can explain.)

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Why Faith is Self-Defeating

by cofty in

the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

Skedaddle

Skedaddle - Did you even read the OP?

I'm not interested in the story Cofty, if you get me. I'm interested in YOUR CONCLUSION. What did you find?

Nope I don't get you.

What has dividing numbers by zero and rabbit holes got to do with the price of fish?

The OP is a knockdown argument against faith as a basis for belief in god.

The god of Jesus demands faith. Therefore there is no basis for belief in the god of christian theism.

Hi Cofty,

Yes I read the OP. I added to the conversation already and you commented with;

vague notion you call "absolution

and...

It is intellectually dishonest and patronising to pretend you can bypass the process of evidence. When I was a christian I often came across people who would assert they KNEW god was real or that they had MET god.

It is posturing. I didn't fall for it then or now.

and...

I suspect you meant to say "divide a number by zero" but what does maths have to do with the subject of faith Skedaddle?

So, you implied I was ''posturing'' because I had not provided evidence. As I've said already, we need to use maths and Physics for evidence of God. It's what scientists use.

The answer to dividing any number BY zero:))) is ''unknown''! Mathematicians and Physicists and readers of, know this.

The ''rabbit hole'' is in reference to the same metaphor as ''red pill, blue pill''. If you've been down it you should know that there is no end. Or is there?

Absolute is a word I'm using in the correct entire meaning of it as described in any definition, in any dictionary. Mathematicians and Physicists use it.

I was beginning the process of trying to give you evidence on terms you should know, if you ask for evidence. If you don't know the terms Cofty, then... sorry! I mistook you for a person who doesn't believe in God from a background of knowledge... specifically in Maths, Physics and Religious studies.

I answered on the topic of faith already.

Peace

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Why Faith is Self-Defeating

by cofty in

the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

Skedaddle

By the way Cofty, if we carry on the conversation, we're gonna go off topic.

So, Is faith self-defeating? YES! That's my answer.

We can move thread if you want.

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Why Faith is Self-Defeating

by cofty in

the god of christian theism values faith.. "without faith it is impossible to please god, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists" - heb.11.

faith and evidence are inversely proportional - the more evidence there is that god exists the less faith you need in that proposition and vice-versa.. so how can a christian criticise any other faith-based belief?

for example they can protest that all the evidence is against the claims of scientology, but that just means that scientologists require more faith than christians.

Skedaddle

Hiya Cofty,

I suspect you meant to say "divide a number by zero" but what does maths have to do with the subject of faith Skedaddle?

Because if you are looking for evidence Cofty, we both have to be discussing it in the place where evidence is produced. Right?

You've been down the rabbit hole Cofty, right?

I'm not interested in the story Cofty, if you get me. I'm interested in YOUR CONCLUSION. What did you find?

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if you had the slightest of doubt about leaving leaving the watchtower org. go to to jwsurvey.org NOW!

by nowwhat? in

and we are suposed to trust these guys with our lives?

!

Skedaddle

That old "keep your eyes on the prize" hall tune is now in my head!