i know we cannot answer this, how many are physically in, mentally out (pimo), but i heard an amazing piece of news the other day.. an ex-p.o and ex-elder, a long time regular pioneer, and when i knew him a stalwart believer, went for a drink with another jw who has actually left, but is not df or anything.. in the course of conversation he came out with this bombshell "well, i am actually an atheist now, i just go along to keep my wife happy".. i also heard of a number of youngsters that i know personally who are simply living their life as they want, whilst making sure they don't get df'd for family and social reasons.. if as it seems the pimo's are a huge number, could there be a huge " awakening" where they all realize they are in a huge group, and they all say " eff it, lets call it a day on all the jw s**t ".
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wishful thinking, but.....just possible ?.
I`m inclined to believe their are a lot more than we give credit for and probably more so among young males than females though I could be totally wrong about that ratio.
Whether they are aware of it or not a vast number are " in" simply and only because of emotional blackmail used against them .
"If you leave JW`s you will lose all family and friends who remain JW`s and will be shunned and ostracized"
Hence they stay "in" but are not believers anymore.
I think it`s a good post Phizzy
every now and then, my wife will talk about how things are not making sense within the org.
i usually just dismiss it as her playing mind games with me.
for example, she would ask why there are so many branches being closed or why so many congregations are being merged.
I wish you all the best with your wife MnIOnC ,and hopefully she will see the TTATT and leave with you or at least be on the same page as you.
Just think Brothers and sisters in the "New system this Child will be White"
[Referring back to older publications of the WT ]
i got the latest memorial invite on my door sometime today.
i work from home.
between the time i drop the kids at school and pick them up, i was here.
As you well know jws they do present one side of their face to worldly people and another side of their face to the rank & file,that they do speak with a forked tongue .
What they (JW`s) said yesterday is not the same as to what they say today and certainly won`t be the same as to what they will say tomorrow .
So it wouldn`t surprise me if the message is different to what it was before .
You have to be an Einstein to keep up with the flip flops of this mob
http://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbourne/programs/mornings/daniel-andrews-and-francis-sullivan/9517566.
the topic discussed at the above link is related to this one i posted recently:.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5784750204649472/victoria-australia-survivors-sexual-abuse-able-sue-churches.
Their was also a small article in the Herald Sun Newspaper Victorian edition 07/03/18 concerning this subject.
Thanks for highlighting it Barbara
one of the recent molest cases had a signed declaration of gerrit losch, stating he has no relation with watchtower and that he has no control over watchtower and he does not answer to watchtower.. this month he is hosting the watchtower broadcasting show, on a watchtower media chanel, with a watchtower president starring as co-host, with statements, media and music that have intellectual ownership and copyright by watchtower.. gerrit is asking on broadcasting for respect for “the slave”, just like jehova and jesus respect “the slave” and will even reward them.. are the writers of the statement too stupid to see the correlation between teaching and practicing?.
these man are proven liars.. how can hold this firewall stand?
it’s so thin.. a judge can see this mismach isn’t it??.
Vin Toole the JW lawyer who gave evidence also misled the ARC into child sexual Abuse with his testimony.
And the Elders who gave testimony hummed and arhhhed about how to answer questions put to them by Angus Stewart who went to bat for the victims.
And in my opinion they were pathetic especially one Elder who was obviously waiting for the Holy Spirit to put words in his mouth, however no words were forthcoming ...... I wonder why ?
my wife's parents are in a bad way.
she went to visit and her mother has alzheimer and father has a hart condition.
they are jws and he quit his job at gm many years ago for 1975. he moved to where the need was great to wait for the end.
DOC is right the 18 year old and her mother need to stop bludging off them and get jobs to support the home and people their bludging off .
Shaming them and the JW religion by writing a letter to the regional Newspaper as to how they are behaving would be what should be done .
There is nothing better than public exposure to get anything constructive done.
Don`t feel so guilty you have your own family to look after they obviously didn`t take notice of ps.146:3 " Do not put your trust in nobles ..." GB
just my 2 cents worth
JW`s believe the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one Satan the Devil so in their mind if you give to charities or non JW`s you are supporting Satan`s system of things
" You can`t support two masters "
So only give money and support to the WTB&TS
Simple as that .
years ago, when i was still a publisher, i had a very interesting conversation with a lady in the field service.
we were talking about punishment for sin and so on.
she believed in hellfire.
If the wages of sin is death and death therefore frees one from sin ,why did those who were resurrected in the Bible need to die again ?
And since they died again didn`t they then experience the second death from which their is no resurrection ?
So JW`s don`t expect to see Lazarus or any others who were resurrected in Paradise earth.
God`s servants didn`t do them any favours did they.
has anybody else noticed a pattern that is here among us outcasts?
there seems to be, on average, a higher level of intelligence here than there is at the kingdom hall.
actually, intelligent conversation seems to be looked down upon among the witnesses.. also, the simple language skills found here seem to be above average compared to those among the witnesses.
I`m not sure that it is we have a higher level of intelligence I think it just proves that those that stay in have a lower level of intelligence a reflection of their distaste for higher education
