Doesn`t Rev.17 :16 refer to Babylon The Great -false religion only , so not the "true" religion of JW`s ?
Jehovah`s Witnesses assume that if BTG goes and destroys false religion then they will come after them ,however the Bible does not say that.
smiddy3
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Where in the bible does it say that the governments will turn on the religions. Like the Dubs always say this will happen
by goingthruthemotions ini have not been here in a while, just trying to move on with my life all the while dealing with a very pimi brainwashed wife.. so the other day she started saying that we will have to go our own ways when things get worse with this world.
she has said this before because she believes that the government will turn on religion and the great and powerful wizards (guardians of doctrine g.o.d.
) will call everyone and tell them where to go.. thank god, (no pun intended) i have been out of the loop for such a long time.
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Why does God allow animals to suffer? Does God care about animals? What does the Watchtower teach about this?
by defender of truth inthe following article will address these questions, and attempt to answer them.. after helping jwfacts with his page on animal suffering, i decided to write this article.. it is mainly aimed at helping jehovahs witnesses and other believers in god to think about the issue, as well as the apparent contradictions in watchtower teaching.. thanks must go to jwfacts for the encouragement, and giving me permission to use an image from his page and to use some of the quotes.. also, thankyou to cofty for general moral support.. please let me know what you think everybody, and feel free to reproduce any part or all of the article on any other website, just post and let me know that you've used it on your site please.. (i'd appreciate it if anyone could post to tell me they found a point in here useful, it would encourage me to keep going).. okay, here it is:.
why does god allow animal suffering?.
does it trouble you to see animals in pain?.
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Every living thing on earth animal, marine , insect ,bird-life etc. lives off killing and consuming their prey for food since time indefinite .
No God Christian or otherwise has anything to do with it.It`s just a fact of life.
Humans all over the world kill off animals for food and think nothing of it.
Sadly what is considered a pet in the western world may be considered a delicacy in other Asian nations.
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I'm coming back to the forum after 10 months, and new challenges...
by Mandrake ini haven't been here for about 10 months and just looked over some topics to update myself, well i came back for a very particular reason... my family was, father, mother, sister and i... the split up (4 years ago), only my father remained jw, my sister left but lives with him, and i've been living by myselft over the last months sharing an apartment with my girlfriend (worldly) an his brother (worldly) (we are a "modern family" hahahaha).... so the relation with my father have been in many different phases the last 4 years, having in mind that he cheated my mom with her best friend (woman) within the congregation an married her just few months ago... so today it's my birthday and i called dad and told him that i had a great time anyway and that to be "even more pagan" i set up my christmas tree today.... he had never questioned me for dating and living with my current girfriend nor tried to "bring me back to the congregation", but he replied to me: "hey, talking about being a pagan, i'm not confortable with things now because i want us to como closer together again and do more things like having lunch or whathever and your are now df, can you talk to the elders and take back the letter you sent them da-ing so we can share more?".
i don't know what to do, i really mean what i wrote in my d.a.
letter, i needed to vent what i think of the borg now, i'm no way taking it back, those are like my luther's theses ... i can't believe my father divorced my mother on no biblical ground, continued dating her best jw friend, and 3 years later they got married and are a happy respectable "christian" couple... and now he suddendly is not confortable with me because i sent a letter to the elders telling them i no longer believed the same shit they do... my sister simply stopped attending meetings and dated worldly boys, celebrate xmas, birthdays and stuff, but with me is different just because i have a clearer idea of who i really am and i'm trying to live by that.. i thinks this whole thing is unfair, he is totally blackmailing me, it's been years to get to this friendly level with my father, and now he is adding this awful pressure.
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i`m sorry Mandrake but my blood boils reading this , cognitive dissonance ? hypocrisy ? Rationalizing ones own lifestyle while condemning someone else`s who probably mirrors your own .Double standards etc.
take care mandrake ,however can`t Lothar sort this all out ?
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Baptismal Q`S asked in the year 1960 ,anyone ? Contrasted to what Q`s they ask now
by smiddy3 ini`m just curious as to what /who i dedicated/baptized my life to in 1960 compared to who or what j.w.`s are being baptized/dedicating their life into this present day ?.
and what scenarios this could lead into ?
would my baptism still be valid ?
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I`m just curious as to what /who I dedicated/baptized my life to in 1960 compared to who or what J.W.`s are being baptized/dedicating their life into this present day ?
And what scenarios this could lead into ? if any ? Would my baptism still be valid ? and should it be ?
If they can move the goalposts after I have made my baptism/dedication, do I not have the same courtesy to reneg my baptism ? because of what they now claim I never accepted that definition or understanding.?
If the JW/WT can change the wording of the baptismal questions ,cant I then challenge the validity of my baptism when I made it? If not why not ?
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It Might Have Hit The Fan
by VW.org ini haven't associated with the jws for at least 6 months.
they do not know that i am an apostate.
maybe till just now becaue i was browsing reddit and stumbled upon a story from a paper about $4000 a day fine imposed upon watchtower.
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I do not want to be a people pleaser, living my life according to other people's opinions.
Good for you VW.org. I could/can never understand how some people are so concerned about what other people think of them that they end up living a life dictated by what they think other people think of them ,to me it`s just crazy thinking.
And it`s not just JW`s who fall into that trap I`ve noticed it in the real world also.
Crazy !! these people are wasting their one life trying to please other people who don`t give a shit about them.
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not a new topic - really a pet peave
by Moster inmakes me crazy:.
there: go over there!.
their: they own it; belonging to etc.. for the love of pete - use them correctly!.
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smiddy3
What a fanny post this is ,I luv it when use guys cum up wif stuff like dis .
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It Might Have Hit The Fan
by VW.org ini haven't associated with the jws for at least 6 months.
they do not know that i am an apostate.
maybe till just now becaue i was browsing reddit and stumbled upon a story from a paper about $4000 a day fine imposed upon watchtower.
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If the s**t does hit the fan just tell him your PC has been highjacked and deny you had anything to do with it.
(theocratic warfare in reverse)
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Convention “Highlights” - bwhahaha!
by Muddy Waters intaking a walk down memory lane at those looooonnnnngg, tedious conventions... .
(boy, they weren’t kidding when they spoke about being long-suffering and having endurance!).
but what were some of your convention highlights, or lowlights, from back in the day?.
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Are circuit assembly` s included in this post ? Anyway I was assigned to making the tea and coffee at C.A`s
as a MS with an Elder.
One time we made coffee with milk and we burnt it of course we still dished it out and only few complained others thought it was the best coffee ever.
I also got known by one Elder as The "T" man
For any Australian who might be interested this Elder was featured in a TV show called "Whose Life is it Anyway"
on ABC TV. a few years back (nothing to do with the religion but I thought very interesting since I know him personally)
If anybody is interested PM me.
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Convention “Highlights” - bwhahaha!
by Muddy Waters intaking a walk down memory lane at those looooonnnnngg, tedious conventions... .
(boy, they weren’t kidding when they spoke about being long-suffering and having endurance!).
but what were some of your convention highlights, or lowlights, from back in the day?.
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I must have been getting near the end of my tether with the religion at a convention in Lang Park in Qld Aust., to go to a pub and watch the Grand final of an AFL match while my wife & children were with "friends" still at the convention.
It must have been my early awakenings without my realizing it.
I certainly consider it a highlight now.
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Why I get out of bed every morning.
by compound complex inbecause someone needs my help.. as a jw -- you can relate -- i truly believed that what everyone really needed was the kingdom hope and its eventual reality.
you know, the hope that does not lead to disappointment.
of course, if anyone needed practical help with a task or getting through some difficulty, most of us realized that was part of being a helpful and caring friend (or family member).. at nearly seventy years of age -- no, i didn't enter the promised kingdom in my healthful and vibrant youth -- my getting out of bed isn't so bad.
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This is a great post CoCo ,our words can either be up-building or cutting to people depending on how vulnerable they are and how we speak to them.
Thankfully this site is supportive and comforting to those who post here as newbies.and of course oldies. .
Like all "families" sometimes after a while we may get a bit testy with each other however we don`t hold grudges.
(like somebody we all know)
And we are here to encourage each other and I think we do that exceedingly well on this board.
Take care CC