Posts by Olig

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Should I do this?

by CivilServant79 in

hi there this is my first post as i’m not sure what to do.

my family (both sides) are well known in our circuit and very dedicated to the truth.

but we’re relatively normal people and i love them all so much.

Olig

At least then you'll have plausible deniability. Feel like Walter White saying that....

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Should I do this?

by CivilServant79 in

hi there this is my first post as i’m not sure what to do.

my family (both sides) are well known in our circuit and very dedicated to the truth.

but we’re relatively normal people and i love them all so much.

My uncle who is also a fader, told me the best way to go about it for me was to play the "I have lots of personal issues" card. and to iterate that I don't want to talk about them with anyone other than my grandfather who is an elder or my mum or dad who used to be an elder. May be of help if you get approached by other elders.

Hope you can figure something out

OG

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Ignorance of Watchtower doctrine among young JW's

by nicolaou in

i've been having a conversation with a young jw on twitter and have, once again, come up against beliefs that do not match up with official watchtower doctrine.

if you like you can read the full thread here (you'll need to click on some comments to open it all up).. anyway the upshot is that this jw, and many like her, believe that only truly wicked people will be killed at armageddon - not innocent babies and children or anyone who "didn't know better" perhaps because they didn't get a witness.

it's as though they cannot accept the obvious injustice of jehovah's morality.. this jw teenager believes that all these non-jw's who survive armageddon will get their chance to prove their loyalty during the 1000 year reign of christ - again, not a watchtower teaching.. i don't really have a question to ask, this is just an observation.

Olig

Beware the old light!!

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Violation of the data protection law in Spain. GDPR

by Blade R in

according to the resolution of the data protection agency, the information was used for other purposes than those authorized.. the data protection agency has imposed a fine of 10,000 euros to jehovah's witnesses for collecting data from doctors and patients without prior authorization.. the religious institution has a hospital liaison committee (ceh) in each province that visits the hospitals to find out the degree of collaboration of the medical staff according to the beliefs of the jehovah's witnesses, "which is only realization of surgeries without transfusions ", is included in the resolution of the agency to which medical drafting has had access.. when compiling these data, as demonstrated by the resolution, the members of the committees overreached their duties, gathering information without requesting the relevant permission stipulated by law.

the jehovah's witnesses have filed an appeal after the ruling but it has not been accepted.. without consent.

in the document, the existence of data that have been "stored and conserved, and imply the processing of data without consent that is imputed, estimating that they are part of a file, are related as rights basics".

Olig

Very interesting read... Can't really argue with that!

Just a thought, wouldn't collecting the numbers of houses that they didn't find in on the field ministry work count as a violation of GDPR? Because they are noting down information that could identify an individual (e.g. number 16 isnt in on Tuesday morning at 10am) without the prior consent of the individual?

Not an expert in this so I'm not sure!

OG

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Electronic Frontier Foundation v Watch Tower Society

by Corney in

[disclaimer: the headline is slightly misleading since the eff itself doesn't participate in the case, so read more below].

it's not a secret that during the last two years watchtower obtained nearly 40 dmca subpoenas requiring google, facebook, instagram, twitter, soundcloud, scribd, reddit and other isps to provide personal information of users that allegedly infringed the society's copyright.. since subpoena proceeding is ex parte, almost all the requests were granted.. but one of the affected users contacted, on advice of youtube's legal team, the electronic frontier foundation (eff), and the foundation found a law firm ready to represent him pro bono, namely garvey schubert barer:.

youtube's legal department emailed the user on or about july 10, 2018, five days before the subpoena's return date, stating that it would comply with the subpoena unless it received a file-stamped motion to quash "or other type of formal objection before july 20, 2018.

Olig

Wow. Just wow I've found my favourite video on the internet hahaha!

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Electronic Frontier Foundation v Watch Tower Society

by Corney in

[disclaimer: the headline is slightly misleading since the eff itself doesn't participate in the case, so read more below].

it's not a secret that during the last two years watchtower obtained nearly 40 dmca subpoenas requiring google, facebook, instagram, twitter, soundcloud, scribd, reddit and other isps to provide personal information of users that allegedly infringed the society's copyright.. since subpoena proceeding is ex parte, almost all the requests were granted.. but one of the affected users contacted, on advice of youtube's legal team, the electronic frontier foundation (eff), and the foundation found a law firm ready to represent him pro bono, namely garvey schubert barer:.

youtube's legal department emailed the user on or about july 10, 2018, five days before the subpoena's return date, stating that it would comply with the subpoena unless it received a file-stamped motion to quash "or other type of formal objection before july 20, 2018.

Olig

Interesting stuff.... Can I ask off topic, what is pillowgate??

12

Good strategy?

by Olig in

so obviously the best way to leave properly is fading, that's a given i would have thought?.

however i'm in a situation where i'm not sure what to do... i've just left home, nobody bar my parents / gparents know my address.

at my parents request they asked if i would switch my cards over to the closer kingdom hall.

Olig

Thanks for the link to that Gio, I just had a quick scan of it, and totally understand what you mean! It shows the blatant disregard and disrespect of the Bible on which he swore on!

Incognigo I've been doing this for sometime now and I totally agree with what you're saying. Helps no end!

OG

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Good strategy?

by Olig in

so obviously the best way to leave properly is fading, that's a given i would have thought?.

however i'm in a situation where i'm not sure what to do... i've just left home, nobody bar my parents / gparents know my address.

at my parents request they asked if i would switch my cards over to the closer kingdom hall.

Olig

Thanks for the advice, I'll just wait and see if mum says owt to me, she still thinks I'm going to this other congregation. I agreed I'd "try it" for a period of time before I committed to leave. It's coming towards the end of this time, so when it's ended I'll have a word and see if anything has been said in my old cong

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Good strategy?

by Olig in

so obviously the best way to leave properly is fading, that's a given i would have thought?.

however i'm in a situation where i'm not sure what to do... i've just left home, nobody bar my parents / gparents know my address.

at my parents request they asked if i would switch my cards over to the closer kingdom hall.

Olig

So obviously the best way to leave properly is fading, that's a given I would have thought?

However I'm in a situation where I'm not sure what to do... I've just left home, nobody bar my parents / gparents know my address. At my parents request they asked if I would switch my cards over to the closer kingdom hall. I text my 'favourite' elder and asked for this, however never received a reply in over 3 weeks. I've just changed my number.

I've not been to a single meeting in over 2 months now, not put any reports in, nothing. And have so far had no repercussions? My mum hasn't said anything that anyone's said to them. I said she could say I moved out to people, but not my address.

Would I be wise to go to a couple meetings now and then? Or just carry on cold turkey as nobody knows my address or new number. I'll be honest not sure if I'll fit in my suit...

OG

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Waking up can be a scary time

by Leopold theseconed in

as a person that has recently come to terms with the reality that the truth is not really the truth .

does anyone else remember the feeling when they realized things were just not true.

it’s wierd all the years i spent preaching i never really considered what it must have felt like to have two people at your door trying to convince you that your religion of birth was a lie.

Olig

Good on you Leopold, you did well to make the jump. I myself was and still am terrified of the New world I've found myself in! I've found the experiences on this forum to be a massive help! Hope everything is okay if you need anything let me know!

OG