I feel sick...will it ever end??? And good points Blondie about confidentiality!!! Does not apply in the organization at all.
Tatiana
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Britain | Jehovah's Witnesses hushed up child sex scandal | July 16, 2013
by jwleaks inchurch officials hushed up a child sex scandal in their ranks and refused to co-operate with police.. .
jehovah witness ministerial servant gordon leighton admitted sexually abusing a child when he was confronted by his church elders, a court heard.. but during the official police investigation, the 53-year-old who made headlines in the 1990s when wife yvonne, 28, died after refusing a blood transfusion after childbirth on religious grounds denied any illegal wrongdoing.. and when detectives asked elders simon preyser, harry logan and david scott to make statements about the confession, all three refused and said what they had heard was confidential.. for three years, the elders refused to co-operate with the criminal investigation and kept up that stance when the case was brought before newcastle crown court after the victim made a complaint to police.. each was issued with a witness summons which they fought to overturn before being ordered to testify by judge penny moreland citing public interest.. their barrister richard daniels said the men had a duty to god not to breach confidence.. he added: privileged communication between members of the congregation and ministers is an absolute right and duty and there is no power in law to breach such a confidence.. judge moreland said: it is apparent that the three elders who were present when this conversation took place are in possession of relevant evidence as to a point which is of real significance in this case.. they claim the right of confidentiality, they claim that what they heard said by the defendant during the course of that meeting ought to be subject to privilege, as ministers of religion.. judge moreland refused to withdraw the summonses and said: public interest is clearly in favour of this evidence being given.. what was said by the defendant on that occasion is of great significance in the trial.. despite the judges ruling, the men still refused to make statements to police until just hours before they were called before the jury.. leighton, who has since been expelled from the church at lambton kingdom hall in washington, denied two charges of indecency with a child and seven of indecent assault.. he was yesterday found guilty of two charges of indecency with a child and six of indecent assault.
he was found not guilty of one indecent assault charge, on the direction of the judge.. he was remanded in custody until he is sentenced next month but warned he is facing a lengthy spell behind bars.. prosecutor katherine dunn told the court the victim, who is now an adult, broke her silence in 2009.. the court heard how at a special church meeting, leighton admitted sexual abuse and made excuses for his behaviour.. miss dunn said: the elders conducted their own investigation.
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My mother passed away this morning...
by Tatiana infor any old-school ex-jws here that remember my many posts about my abusive jw mother and my sister committing suicide because of it...she passed away this morning because she began to bleed out and refused a transfusion.
she had been in the hospital for a month.
it appears she suffered a stroke and wasn't found by the brothers & sisters for three days (they missed her at the meetings).
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Tatiana
(((((Gravedancer))))) Wow, long time. So happy you've moved on. I come here once in a while to check up on those I knew and to see if I can help some 'newbies.' But not nearly as much as I used to. I spend time debating JWs on the Prince board. hehehe
Thank you Aunt Fancy...for taking the time to read my long rants. And yes, without my children I'd probably be lost. This is why I simply cannot udnerstand the whole 'shunning' thing. I could no more stop talking to my children, grandchildren, and others in the family just because they decided to do something I didn't agree with than cut off my arm. I once told my daughter I didn't care if she shaved her head and started giving out flyers at an airport...I'd still love her and call very day!
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My mother passed away this morning...
by Tatiana infor any old-school ex-jws here that remember my many posts about my abusive jw mother and my sister committing suicide because of it...she passed away this morning because she began to bleed out and refused a transfusion.
she had been in the hospital for a month.
it appears she suffered a stroke and wasn't found by the brothers & sisters for three days (they missed her at the meetings).
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Hi Nosferatu!! I remember you also! You are correct in that the feelings are confusing, even now. Very difficult to come to terms with...on the one hand she made all our lives a living hell, on the other hand she's paid the ultimate price. One day I'll wake up angry after having a horrible dream about her and that 'house.' Another day I'll be sad that my mother is gone and has no chance to apologize.
And I also saw a sort of desperate sadness in my uncle's eyes. He has been in the truth since age 15...he's about 75 now...is 'anointed' and he and my aunt decided never to have children in 'this system of things.' He won't even speak of it anymore.
He is the only one left in the family now. My mother had two brothers and a sister. My Uncle Bobby (who despised the witnesses) passed away last year. My Aunt Mary (who also despised anything to do with the witnesses) passed away three years ago. My grandmother (devout witness) and grandfather (Freemason) are gone...I know he feels alone and that his time is approaching. I just received an email from him telling me to make sure I ask my Aunt for certain pics he has put up that he wants me to have when he passes away. I daresay he's not expecting Armageddon any time soon.
Quandry...thank you. Yes, I talk to my children every day. I'm happy. I just helped my niece drive about 3000 miles across country from Myrtle Beach to Idyllwild, CA. After the funeral she decided to move her family far away from SC an any connection to the congregation there. They were still spying on her at Christmas. I think she's much happier now.
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My mother passed away this morning...
by Tatiana infor any old-school ex-jws here that remember my many posts about my abusive jw mother and my sister committing suicide because of it...she passed away this morning because she began to bleed out and refused a transfusion.
she had been in the hospital for a month.
it appears she suffered a stroke and wasn't found by the brothers & sisters for three days (they missed her at the meetings).
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Tatiana
ShirelyW...She only had $34 in her bank account. The bank statements were from 2008. No trace of what happened to the money after she withdrew it. I'm the oldest, my sis is deceased, and my only brother wanted nothing to do with the funeral or anything else. She made no major purchases so I can only assume what happened to the money. I don't care but at least she could have thought about funeral expenses.
Glander, I don't know what's up with the PMs. Sucks though...
Hugs and thanks to Ontheway out, SeventhSojourn, Adventurousone, and Bangalore!
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My mother passed away this morning...
by Tatiana infor any old-school ex-jws here that remember my many posts about my abusive jw mother and my sister committing suicide because of it...she passed away this morning because she began to bleed out and refused a transfusion.
she had been in the hospital for a month.
it appears she suffered a stroke and wasn't found by the brothers & sisters for three days (they missed her at the meetings).
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Tatiana
Pffft. You could have responded, "What I need to do is come up with a bunch of money to cover the bills that she left behind for her family. Just a few years ago, she had nearly $80,000 in her nestegg. I come now and find that all that has disappeared along with the valuable antique coins that had been entrusted to her. Do you have any idea how she could have squandered so much? If I'd known that she'd become so irresponsible, I would have looked for legal protection for her assets. It's all very sad that she must have spent her last months in absolute poverty."
That is probably what I would have said if I'd known before the funeral. Didn't find the bank papers until afterward. I did email my uncle and asked him what he thought happened to the money. No reply. -
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Happy 4th people...hehehe
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My mother passed away this morning...
by Tatiana infor any old-school ex-jws here that remember my many posts about my abusive jw mother and my sister committing suicide because of it...she passed away this morning because she began to bleed out and refused a transfusion.
she had been in the hospital for a month.
it appears she suffered a stroke and wasn't found by the brothers & sisters for three days (they missed her at the meetings).
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Tatiana
thank you all.
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Picture of Mouthy Granny Grace
by mouthys_gdaughter ini'm mouthy's grand daughter... she emailed me and said y'all wanna see a picture of what she looks like.
in order to do that i had to sign up.
i hope she doesn't mind ;)
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Tatiana
Great pics...((((Mouthy/Grace))))
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My mother passed away this morning...
by Tatiana infor any old-school ex-jws here that remember my many posts about my abusive jw mother and my sister committing suicide because of it...she passed away this morning because she began to bleed out and refused a transfusion.
she had been in the hospital for a month.
it appears she suffered a stroke and wasn't found by the brothers & sisters for three days (they missed her at the meetings).
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Tatiana
I came to re-read this today because I just realized I had several pms from wonderful people here. One (dreamgolfer) even asked if I wanted company to the funeral. Unfortunately I didn't see the messages until this week...all I saw was 'error'...I wish they'd fix this. I am soooo sorry I didn't see the pms. I would have welcomed the company. What an amazing gesture form a stranger!!
Anyway, to update, my mother had nothing. We checked the one safety deposit box she had and there was only a bag of old coins. She'd sold all the valuable ones. My niece and I paid for the cremation. My 'anointed' uncle sold some of her belongings to contribute. After he'd found out she had nothing, he sent me and my niece an email and said he was getting collection letters from the apt complex where she lived wanting $1013 dollars for cleaning her apt and he needed "us" to take care of it. Brotherly love knows no bounds. I stayed longer than I expected, going through her belongings that weren't sold and reading stories she'd written. A particularly gut-wrenching story she wrote was about how her children all followed Satan and she would be better off in the New Earth alone. It was heartbreaking to think that just a while ago she was alive...writing down thoughts and planning things to do...now she was gone forever. I flashed back to a time after my sister's death...walking through her home and knowing she'd just written the grocery list on the kitchen table. Really makes you contemplate the shortness of life and that it should not be wasted.
While going through her personal possessions, I was stunned to find my grandmother's antique 14k diamond ring. One that she never took off her finger. My grandfather bought it for her in 1930. I'd assumed it was sold also. It was wrapped in an old dirty paper towel in the bottom of a broken wooden box. I almost threw it away. I am now wearing it and will never take it off. I've left in my will to my only daughter, Tatiana. We also found bank statements saying that as recently as 2008 she'd had $79,000 in the bank. She lived in senior housing paying only $200 a month for rent and drove a 1999 car. The only furntiure she had was what my niece gave her. What became of the money? The only explanation is that she donated it to the society. There is no existing record of where it went.
At the funeral, we sat at the very front. Afterwards, people I hadn't seen for 20 years hugged me and said, "You know what you need to do! You need to come back to Jehovah!" I refused to even acknowledge the comments. Who did I acknowledge?? A girl (now a woman) who I'd known since she was a baby. I had no idea she was coming because she was disfellowshipped. She is friends with me on Facebook but never said a word about coming to the funeral. I looked up and there she was right at the front of the KH in front of everyone. I ran to her and hugged her as tight as I could. I was balling by then. She braved the dirty looks and the shunning to come and see me. I will never forget it!
It is still difficult to believe she is gone. I wake up some nights after a bad dream and the entire funeral feels surreal...like it never happened. My grandnmother and my mother are buried at the KH in Andrews. But I hope I never have any reason to go back there. A very depressing experience. -
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Anthony Morris The 3rd Talks About Human Hot Dogs At Armageddon, There Will Be No Picnic For Survivors
by frankiespeakin inwatch out for armageddon it is going to be numbing to human sensibilities:.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micq4iqrklm.
i guess he's thinkin jehovah's gonna roast them like a hot dogs burned to a charred ruination over a fire.
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Tatiana
Marking this...can't believe this video.
