Posts by Duran

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Revelation 13 and 17 Beasts

by Duran in

revelation 17:8-11,12-14. revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3. revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21. revelation 15:2;20:4. what beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?

what beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the motb is given out?.

what beast is the 8th king?.

Duran

Here it is stated that after the 1260 days, a beast will arise from the abyss and destroy the two witnesses.

Doesn't say that the beast will arise from the abyss after the 1,260 days it says the beast that ascends from the abyss is the one who will kill them when they have finished their witnessing, which is of course after the 1,260 days. But again, that does not mean the beast comes out of the abyss at that time, it already came out at the beginning of the 1,260 days corresponding to the death stroke being healed.

[ 8 The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction. And when they see how the wild beast was, but is not, and yet will be present, those who dwell on the earth will wonder admiringly, but their names have not been written upon the scroll of life from the founding of the world.]

[3 And I saw one of its heads as though slaughtered to death, but its death-stroke got healed, and all the earth followed the wild beast with admiration. 8 And all those who dwell on the earth will worship it; the name of not one of them stands written in the scroll of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered, from the founding of the world.]

9:13-21 Trumpet blast six (2nd Woe)
11:3-6 Start of public ministry of two witnesses
11:14-18 Trumpet blast seven (3rd Woe)
11:2 Earthly temple courtyard trampled by nations
11:7-13 Death of the two witnesses

Seals 2-4 = death-stroke on beast 7th head/king

The healing of the death-stroke is when it becomes the 8th king for 42-months.

The 42-month period is the GT, it is the hour of judgment from God. The test is do you refuse the 'mark' in support of God's kingdom or do you take the 'mark' in support of Satan's false kingdom. Those that take the 'mark' (goats) will undergo everlasting cut off after the 42-months when Jesus comes at Armageddon. Those that refuse the 'mark' (sheep) will be who make up the great crowd and inherit God's kingdom. (Some from among those will rule with Jesus for the 1,000 years.) Revelation 14:9-12;15:2;7:9,10,13-17;20:4;19:20,21

The 42-months that the 8th king rules corresponds to the holy city being trampled and the two-witnesses.

That time takes place during the 6th trumpet/2nd woe.

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the name Jehovah: magical?

by enoughisenough in

didn't know the best subject area to put this question under....i was listening to a discussion on youtube the other day while working, so not getting every point ....part of what was talked about was the word jehovah, ( not being the most accurate translation of yhwh ) was however pushed by illuminati /secret societies for its use in magic.

(as i informed, i wasn't getting the whole conversion as i also had attention elsewhere and some of the conversation was hard to follow.

) so i am wondering if anyone on here has more information on the subject they care to share.

Duran

יהושע (Hebrew)

YeHOshua/JeHOshua (English)

יהוה (Hebrew)

YeHOaH/JeHOaH (English)

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Revelation 13 and 17 Beasts

by Duran in

revelation 17:8-11,12-14. revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3. revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21. revelation 15:2;20:4. what beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?

what beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the motb is given out?.

what beast is the 8th king?.

Duran

Revelation 17:8-11,12-14

Revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3

Revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21

Revelation 15:2;20:4

What beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?

What beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the MOTB is given out?

What beast is the 8th king?

Is receiving the death-stroke the same as the going into the abyss?

Is the death-stroke being healed the same as coming out of the abyss?

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

Duran

"Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?" - Captain Oveur

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Has the Watchtower Faithful Slave become the Evil Slave?

by Vanderhoven7 in

what evidence suggests to you that the wt f&ds is actually more like the es of matthew 24?.

45¶who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?.

46blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.. .

Duran

Has it occurred to anyone that they were never the “faithful slave” to begin with?
It isn’t much of a stretch to go from “they had it once, but lost it” to “they ~~probably~~ never had it”.

That is exactly the case. EIE was spot on bringing up 1919. They claim they were appointed in that year but everything they teach to arrive at that year is a LIE. (607>1914>1918/19)

In regard to Matthew 24:45-47, verse 45 is merely asking the question of ‘who is’, and verse 46 goes on to state that ‘the slave’ that is found doing so, ‘on the master’s arrival’, ‘is who’ at that time be found to be ‘faithful’ and appointed over the master’s belongings.

In other words, ‘the slave’ is just a ‘slave’ prior to the master’s arrival and it is up to the master upon his arrival to determine what slave/s are ‘faithful’ or not. It is not up to the slave/s themselves to determine their own faithfulness.

According to the following scriptures. (Matthew 25:14,19,21,23,26-27 Luke 19:13,15,17,22-23) it can be seen, the master summoned ‘SLAVES’, not faithful ones, nor wicked ones, just ‘SLAVES’. But it is on the master’s arrival that he then determines which of those ‘SLAVES’ were faithful or wicked. The point being is that it is presumptuous for the ‘slave/s’ to consider/call themselves ‘faithful’ presently, when that is something that is for the master to determine/say when he arrives. In fact to the contrary ‘the slaves’ when calling themselves anything, the master himself said what is found at Luke 17:10…

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Has the Watchtower Faithful Slave become the Evil Slave?

by Vanderhoven7 in

what evidence suggests to you that the wt f&ds is actually more like the es of matthew 24?.

45¶who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?.

46blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.. .

Duran

John does distinguish between. The beast thrown into the lake with the false prophet is the beast from the sea. This takes place right after the waging of war against the one seated on the horse. The scarlet beast is just said to go off into destruction. That corresponds to the time being thrown into the fiery lake.

Revelation 17:8,12-14

Revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3

Revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21

Revelation 15:2;20:4

The beast is given its 42-month authority by the 10 kings. That is the time the beast is the 8th king and final king.

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Has the Watchtower Faithful Slave become the Evil Slave?

by Vanderhoven7 in

what evidence suggests to you that the wt f&ds is actually more like the es of matthew 24?.

45¶who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?.

46blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.. .

Duran

Did you click the hyperlink and read the Scriptures? What beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet? What beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the MOTB is given out?

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Has the Watchtower Faithful Slave become the Evil Slave?

by Vanderhoven7 in

what evidence suggests to you that the wt f&ds is actually more like the es of matthew 24?.

45¶who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?.

46blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.. .

Duran

Wasn't the Beast slain when the League of Nations was scrubbed but rose again as the United Nations?

No, because when the beast revives is when the 42-month authority is given it. Also, during that time is when the MOTB is given. No such mark or 42 month authority occur in 1945 when the UN came about or since then.

Duran, there's three beasts mentioned by John in the book of Revelation: 1) Beast from the sea = Beast with slain head that healed (Rev. 13:1, 3). This beast is a conglomeration of Daniel's four beasts. 2) Beast from the earth = false prophet (13:11, 12). 3) Beast from the abyss = scarlet-colored wild beast (17:3, 8; cf. 11:7). The first beast was either absorbed by the other beasts or it disappeared from the scene because Jesus only deals with the scarlet-colored wild beast and false prophet during Armageddon (cf. 19:20; 20:10).

Three mentioned but two are the same. The beast from sea and scarlet are the same. And actually, Jesus deals with the beast from the sea and earth (false prophet) at Armageddon, but because the scarlet is the same as the one from the sea, then yes Jesus deals with the scarlet one at Armageddon.

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Has the Watchtower Faithful Slave become the Evil Slave?

by Vanderhoven7 in

what evidence suggests to you that the wt f&ds is actually more like the es of matthew 24?.

45¶who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?.

46blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.. .

Duran

The beast has 7 heads, meaning 7 kings. We are supposedly living during the 7th head/king (Which is not the UN). The beast as a whole after the death-stroke on the 7th head will then be the 8th king when the death-stroke gets revived. It is claimed the UN will be that 8th king and that is the point that it will be giving 42-month authority. That has not happened yet therefore the WTS as an NGO to the UN during that time does not matter. They were not riding the beast because the UN is not the beast until it becomes the 8th king.

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Has the Watchtower Faithful Slave become the Evil Slave?

by Vanderhoven7 in

what evidence suggests to you that the wt f&ds is actually more like the es of matthew 24?.

45¶who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?.

46blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.. .

Duran

Babylon the Great rides the beast. Did they not also ride the beast with Babylon the Great, even just for a few years?

When you say 'they' (WTS) also did so with BTG, are you saying that WTS is not part of BTG?

Who is BTG?

Who is the beast that they rode for a few years?