Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

Thus: 607 BCE - 537 BCE = 70 years
scholar JW

What is the point in you trying to prove 607, when 603 is the year needed to arrive at 1918 using the 2,520 years?

“Seven times” = 7 X 360 = 2,520 years

~~607 B.C.E. to 1914 C.E.~~

603 B.C.E. to 1918 C.E.

[Insight - Fall of Jerusalem. Finally (~~607~~ 603 B.C.E.), “in the eleventh year of Zedekiah, in the fourth month, on the ninth day of the month,” Jerusalem was broken through. By night Zedekiah and the men of war took to flight.]

[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]

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Is the 2024 annual meeting new light already obsolete?

by nowwhat? in

the latest new light was jehovah was going to "put it into their (the nations) heart to give over their power to the united nations.

with the june watchtower now out which is to be studied in september would be the time when they study the annual meeting new light.

instead we get the "we don't know" when the end is coming!

Duran

Not to sound supportive of the WT but they can say that they know that first the nations give their power to the UN and then the UN/nations turn on BTG, etc... while at the same time say that they don't know when the nations will do that.

That said, why does the WT feel the need to LIE about everything they say/teach. Jackson tried to make it seem at the annually meeting that it was a NEW understanding that they now have to know that before the UN/nations turn on BTG/GT breaks out, that FIRST the nations give their authority to the UN.

He actually claimed that them coming to this NEW understanding was based on reading the surrounding verses. Is that him admitting that they don't actually use the Bible in coming up with their teachings and then when they do read it, they see what the Bible actually says is not what they have been teaching.

This same thing happened a few annually meetings ago when Splane updated the teaching on the Joel locusts. He said that for years they taught that the locusts were JWs but now because of reading the sounding text in the Bible they realize that the locusts were the Northerner, an enemy of God.

Yet in both cases they LIE.

They knew before last year's meeting that the UN is given authority first before taking action.

And they knew before Splane's update about the locusts that the locusts were the Northerner, all the while when they were teaching the locusts were JWs.

Here in the past, they show that the UN would have to get the authority first:

[Revelation Climax – As John soon learns, the time will come when the UN will act with considerable authority. Then it, in its turn, “goes off into destruction.”]

[6-15-12 WT – Any power it (U.N.) has comes from its member nations, especially from its key backer, the Anglo-American World Power. But it does receive authority to act as a king to carry out a specific task,one that triggers a chain of events that will change history.]

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Here about the update on the locusts.

STUDY ARTICLE 14
An Attack Coming From the North!
[w20 April -3 Read Joel 2:7-9. Joel foretells that a plague of locusts will devastate the land of Israel. With teeth and jaws like those of lions, the greedy insects will devour everything in sight! (Joel 1:4, 6) For many years, we have applied that prophecy symbolically to the way in which Jehovah’s people, like an unstoppable swarm of locusts, engage in their preaching activity. We understood that this activity has devastating effects on the “land,” or the people who are under the control of the religious leaders.
4 If we restricted ourselves to a reading of Joel 2:7-9, a case could be made for that explanation. However, when we consider the prophecy in its context, we see that a different understanding is appropriate. Let us examine four reasons why this is so.5 First of all, notice Jehovah’s promise with regard to the plague of locusts: “I will drive the northerner [the locusts] far away from you.” (Joel 2:20) If the locusts represent Jehovah’s Witnesses as they obey Jesus’ command to preach and make disciples, why would Jehovah promise to drive them away? (Ezek. 33:7-9; Matt. 28:19, 20) Clearly, Jehovah is driving away, not his faithful servants, but something or someone who is hostile to his people.]

Below shows they already knew what they are trying to claim as a new teaching above about the locusts.

[w07 10/1 - Invasion by the caterpillar, the locust, and the cockroach is what Joel sees in vision. The invaders are referred to as “a people numerous and mighty” and as “powerful men.” (Joel 1:4; 2:2-7) “Alas for the day,” sighs Joel, “because the day of Jehovah is near, and like a despoiling from the Almighty One it will come!” (Joel 1:15) Jehovah counsels the inhabitants of Zion: “Come back to me with all your hearts.” If they do, Jehovah will “show compassion upon his people” and will put far away “the northerner”—the insect assault. Before the coming of his great day, though, Jehovah will “pour out [his] spirit on every sort of flesh” and will “give portents in the heavens and on the earth.”—Joel 2:12, 18-20, 28-31.]

[Insight - The prophet Joel foretold a devastating onslaught by a horde of insects that would desolate the land, mentioning the cha·silʹ last, as the insect that consumes whatever has been left behind by the others. (Joe 1:4) Later, the prophet tells of the time when there will be blessings and forgiveness. The invader will be turned back and compensation made for what the cha·silʹ and the other members of God’s “great military force” have eaten. (Joe 2:25)]

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Watchtower SlangJamaican Patois: Gods son came fe mash up the world😂

by Diogenesister in

🤦‍♀️this 25 million different languages thing is getting ridiculous.

this link is hilarious!

they've only gone and translated into jamaican patois and boy this isn't just translation, they're literally using slang....what next?

Duran

I'm thinking of that scene in the movie Airplane,

scene one

First Jive Dude: Shiiiiit, maaaaan. That honky muf' be messin' mah old lady... got to be runnin' cold upside down his head, you know?

Second Jive Dude: Hey home', I can dig it. Know ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you, man!

First Jive Dude: I say hey, sky... subba say I wan' see...

Second Jive Dude: Uh-huh.

First Jive Dude: ...pray to J I did the same-ol', same-ol'!

Second Jive Dude: Hey... knock a self a pro, Slick! That gray matter backlot perform us DOWN, I take TCB-in', man!

First Jive Dude: Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak 'em...

First Jive Dude, Second Jive Dude: ...leg 'er down a smack 'em yak 'em!

First Jive Dude: COL' got to be! Y'know? Shiiiiit.

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scene two

Randy: Can I get you something?

Second Jive Dude: 'S'mofo butter layin' me to da' BONE! Jackin' me up... tight me!

Randy: I'm sorry, I don't understand.

First Jive Dude: Cutty say 'e can't HANG!

Jive Lady: Oh, stewardess! I speak jive.

Randy: Oh, good.

Jive Lady: He said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him.

Randy: All right. Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine?

Jive Lady: [to the Second Jive Dude] Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da rebound on da med side.

Second Jive Dude: What it is, big mama? My mama no raise no dummies. I dug her rap!

Jive Lady: Cut me some slack, Jack! Chump don' want no help, chump don't GET da help!

First Jive Dude: Say 'e can't hang, say seven up!

Jive Lady: Jive-ass dude don't got no brains anyhow! Shiiiiit.

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WT June 2025: We Are Not Blind We Just Don't Know

by raymond frantz in

https://youtu.be/7xumqjq3zfc?si=ivcg96t4dtgze4ft.

so this is from the brand new watchtower study edition of june 2025 which has just been posted on jw.org .under the title: modestly accept what you do not know, a let’s read paragraphs in question 4 &5: “read matthew 24:36. we do not know when the end of this system of things will come.

even jesus, while on earth, did not know the ‘day and hour.’ he later told the apostles that jehovah, who is the great timekeeper, keeps the timing of certain events ‘in his own jurisdiction,’ or authority.

Duran

pinpoint - absolutely precise; to the finest degree

LOL! They say Satan was cast down in Oct 1914 when Jesus became king. Satan's being cast down meant woe for the earth and that woe was WW1.

The problem is WW1 started in June/July of 1914. Apparently, world conditions took a turn for the worse 3 to 4 months before Satan was cast down, is when the woe was said to begin.

Not very precise!

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[ws14 7/15 - In October 1914, Jehovah made Jesus King over mankind. At that time, the conclusion, or “the last days,” of Satan’s world began.—2 Timothy 3:1.]

[ w22 July - Why did world conditions take a turn for the worse when Jesus became King? Revelation 6:2 gives an important detail—Jesus’ first mission as newly crowned King was to wage war. Against whom? Against the Devil and his demons. According to Revelation chapter 12, Satan lost the battle, and he and the demons were hurled down to the earth. Enraged, Satan began to vent his anger on humankind, resulting in “woe for the earth.”—Rev. 12:7-12.]

[World War I began after the assassination of Austrian archduke Franz Ferdinand by South Slav nationalist Gavrilo Princip on June 28, 1914.]

[World War I or the First World War (28 July 1914 – 11 November 1918), also known as the Great War,]

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

“Seven times” = 7 X 360 = 2,520 years

~~607 B.C.E. to~~ ~~1914 C.E~~.

603 B.C.E. to 1918 C.E.

[Insight - Fall of Jerusalem. Finally (~~607~~ 603 B.C.E.), “in the eleventh year of Zedekiah, in the fourth month, on the ninth day of the month,” Jerusalem was broken through. By night Zedekiah and the men of war took to flight.]

[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]

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I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered

by no-zombie in

i was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.

and while i was going to spend some time writing about the virtues of our faith's strict moral standards ... i now understand that i'd only be flamed as a watchtower apologist.. that being said, out of the approximately 4 million onlyfan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are jehovah's witnesses..

Duran

Why are so few of you not expressing you personal dislike of the OnlyFans scene?

What is there to dislike about it?

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

Because you write nonsense.

LOL! I didn't write anything there in asking that question. I cited two WTS excerpts and asked you which one you believe is correct.

So, the only nonsense that you are referring too, is what the WTS wrote.

[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”]

[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]

Do you believe Rev 11:15 was fulfilled in 1914 as the 02WT says or in 1918 after the 1,260 days ended as the 51WT says??

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

scholar

How come you can reply to aqwsed writing a whole essay worth, but you can't reply to a simple question of:

Do you believe Rev 11:15 was fulfilled in 1914 as the 02WT says or in 1918 after the 1,260 days ended as the 51WT says???

[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”]

[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

Response 9. The doctrine or teaching of the Gentile Times is well established from the Bible and confirmed by modern history. It is based on a flawless chronology and in agreement with both ancient and modern history. it is bookended with the catastrophic events in the ancient world, namely the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE and the catastrophic Great War in 1914 CE The doctrine is simple to explain and understand and is based on the interpretation that Dan 4 had both dual fulfilment proved both in terms of linguistics, history,and theology.

This claim is that Neb's dream had a second fulfillment resulting in 2,520 years. And 607 marks the beginning of those years with the nation's trampling Jerusalem with the end of Zed as king. And 1914 ending that trampling period for Jerusalem by the nations, due to Jesus becoming king in that year. Because it is said that Jesus became king of God's kingdom in 1914 at the end of those 2,520 years (so-called gentile times), this is when/why WTS says Rev 11:15 was fulfilled with the 7th trumpet.

[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”]

The problem with the WTS teaching that the gentile times are a period of 2,520 that Jerusalem is trampled on by the nations, starting in Oct 607 and ending in Oct 1914, is that Rev 11:2 speaks of a 3 1/2-year period during the 6th trumpet/2nd woe, that Jerusalem is to be trampled on by the nations, which the WTS claims took place Oct 1914 to April 1918.

Because of claiming Rev 11:2 took place in 1914-1918 and knowing that that was part of the 2nd woe, and the 3rd woe/7th trumpet could not come until AFTER the trampling of 42 months ended in 1918, they moved the fulfilment date for Rev 11:15 for Jesus' time for becoming king and the kingdom beginning, they moved it to 1918 after the 3 1/2 years of trampling ended. (Also to note is that the period of 607 to 1914 is not the 2nd woe that takes place during the 6th trumpet. The 7th trumpet/3rd woe can only come after the 6th trumpet/2nd woe ends, which these 42 months are part of. Rev)

[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]

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WTS teaches:

start Oct 607>(2,520 years trampling by nations)>end Oct1914 = Rev 11:15 was fulfilled. 02WT

start Oct 1914>(3 1/2 years trampling by nations)>end April 1918 = Rev 11:15 was fulfilled. 51WT

Total of 2,523 years and 6 months of continuous trampling on by the nations. (607 to 1918)

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Scholar, based on that, do you believe Rev 11:15 was fulfilled in Oct 1914 after the 2,520 years of trampling ended or April 1918 after the 1,260 days of trampling ended???

If you go with Rev 11:15 occurring in 1914, then you will have to acknowledge that Rev 11:2, 42- months/2nd woe, could not have taken place Oct 1914 to April 1918, because the 42-months/2nd woe has to end first before the 3rd woe/7th trumpet can come. This is according to what the Scriptures state and what the 51WT correctly showed. This means that the 42 months have to occur prior to Oct 1914, occur during the time before the 2,520 years end.

IDK what sounds more ridiculous, to say that a time of 2,520 years given to the nations to trample Jerusalem and then when that time is said to end (Oct 1914) then an additional 3 and 1/2 years of the nation's trampling, starts right as one time was said to end, so not really ending being trampled on in 1914 but end being trampled in 1918 instead.

Or to say that during the time the nations are given to trample (2,520 years) that during those years (607-1914) that another trampling will occur for 3 and 1/2 years in 1911 to 1914, ending at the same time as the 2,520 years. I suppose a double trampling?

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You could just realize that your WTS is full of BS and that none of that makes sense. No 607/587/1914/1918/7 times, etc.

The correct understanding is the 'appointed times of the nations' (gentile times) are 42 months/the 2nd woe and are future when the 8th king is given authority. That is the time of the GT and Jesus comes AFTER that time and that is when Rev 11:15/3rd woe is fulfilled.

Still future:

Trumpets 1-5

Trumpet 6

Trumpet 7 (last trumpet)

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Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan in

it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".

it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.

" (galatians 2:1-10).

Duran

Scholar always responds but will not respond to nonsense. Can you provide ONE line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE?

Scholar you are so foolish. What I want you to respond about the 42 months/6th trumpet and 7th trumpet/1914, is the whole basis the WTS tries to use the year 607. Talking about the 6th and 7th trumpet does disprove 607 and all that is calculated from that date.

[rs - Revelation 11:2, 3 clearly states that 42 months (3 1/2 years) in that prophecy are counted as 1,260 days. Seven years would be twice that, or 2,520 days. Applying the “day for a year” rule would result in 2,520 years. When did the counting of the “seven times” begin? After Zedekiah, the last king in the typical Kingdom of God, was removed from the throne in Jerusalem by the Babylonians. (Ezek. 21:25-27) Finally, by early October of 607 B.C.E. the last vestige of Jewish sovereignty was gone.]

CALCULATING THE “SEVEN TIMES”
“Seven times” = 7 X 360 = 2,520 years
A Biblical “time,” or year = 12 X 30 days = 360. (Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14)
In the fulfillment of the “seven times” each day equals one year. (Ezek. 4:6; Num. 14:34)
Early October, 607 B.C.E., to December 31, 607 B.C.E.= 1/4 year
January 1, 606 B.C.E., to December 31, 1 B.C.E. = 606 years
January 1, 1 C.E., to December 31, 1913 = 1,913 years
January 1, 1914, to early October, 1914 = 3/4 year
Total: 2,520 years

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If you believe all that, fine, but the problem is they say the 2,520 years end in 1914, but in the 51WT they claim in 1918 is when the 7th trumpet was blown, after the 42 months. So, they are short by 4 years. Seems they have to start from 611 B.C.E. to make 2,524 years to arrive at 1918, therefore showing 607 to be the wrong year to start from.

[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]

If everyone here that says 587, agreed with you on 607, you still would have to use 611 to arrive at 1918, because 607 is 4 years short.

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If you stick with 607 to arrive at 1914 and say that that is when the 7th trumpet was blown as the 02WT claims, then you still have to deal with the 42 months, being that the 7th trumpet blows AFTER the 42 months as the 51WT says.

[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.” ]

So again, I ask you:

Did the 7th trumpet/3rd woe occur in Oct 1914 as the 02WT claims or in April 1918 as the 51WT claims?

Did the 1,260 days/2nd woe occur in April 1911-Oct 1914 for the 7th trumpet to blow in 1914 or Oct 1914-April 1918 for the 7th trumpet to blow in 1918?

Duran

Posts by Duran

An Attack Coming From the North!

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