Posts by Duran
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543Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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Revelation 13 and 17 Beasts
by Duran inrevelation 17:8-11,12-14. revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3. revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21. revelation 15:2;20:4. what beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?
what beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the motb is given out?.
what beast is the 8th king?.
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Duran
The Philadelphia congregation represents all people on earth in the 21st century? Nope. I don't see it like that. It's a stretch.
That is not what I said. The Scriptures speak for themselves.
So unity must be established before the GT.
Unity/refining takes place during the GT/42-month period captivity. That's when those with insight impart understanding to many and where they wash their robes clean in the blood of the Lamb.
All the nations won't fit on the low plain of Jehoshaphat (= Jehovah is judge). Same goes for the Mountain of Megiddo. These I view as a world situation rather than a geographical location.
LOL! I was not claiming that it would be in that geographical location. I was merely showing the timing of the two different judgments. The first that is said to start on God's house is during the time his people are said to be being ruled over/captives by the nations. Then after that captivity period, the nations will then be gathered together.
The reason Jesus will be able to separate sheep/wheat from goats/weeds is because during the GT/8th kings' rule each will prove whom they are during that time. Those that were victorious against the mark will be the sheep an inherit God's kingdom. Those that took the mark will be the goats and receive God's wrath.
I'm not going to go over it again. That would be boring.
Understood. Keep believing as you see fit.
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What's next?
by lastmanstanding inwhat's next for the world?
a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.
and i shared that map with various friends.
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Duran
They will use these proxy attacks to go after Iran.
Hezbollah fires over 1,000 rockets, Israel warns Iran's proxies (msn.com)
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Revelation 13 and 17 Beasts
by Duran inrevelation 17:8-11,12-14. revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3. revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21. revelation 15:2;20:4. what beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?
what beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the motb is given out?.
what beast is the 8th king?.
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Duran
As said, here Jesus is reassuring the first century Philadelphian congegation. As far as I know, it doesn't exist anymore. What was the test? Your guess is as good as mine.
If anyone has an ear, let him hear:
There was no such test* that came upon the world back then. This applies to the future and Jesus is talking to those that will rule with him. They need to conquer. Conquer what? Going through the GT under the 8th king 42-month rule. It says he will 'keep them from' the HOT, but that does not mean they won't go through it. That is why it calls for faith and endurance on their part during that time. 'Keep them from' means he will 'watch over them', 5083. téreó.
* test/tribulation - 3986. peirasmos/2346. thlibó = affliction/distress/calamity/suffering
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Revelation 13 and 17 Beasts
by Duran inrevelation 17:8-11,12-14. revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3. revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21. revelation 15:2;20:4. what beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?
what beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the motb is given out?.
what beast is the 8th king?.
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Duran
First the house must be constituted, then the judgment will start there. As yet I don't see God's house being established.
Are you kidding me? You yourself said, 'we are on the same page', and you cited Scriptures to what God's house/temple/holy place is. It has been being constructed since the first century. When the 8th king receives his 42-month authority all people will be in subjection too him, but true wheat/sheep (God's people) will refuse that authority and thereby suffer tribulation (captivity/death) by the 8th king during that time. In that sense that is how/when God's house is trampled on. This serves as the judgement that first starts with God's house. During that time ALL people (that refuse the mark) regardless of their lack of understanding now and their many different beliefs, they will be refined together during that time and end up on the same page/same understanding.
Notice here in Joel's account the nations are said to be ruling over God's people and they are considered to be captives during that time. That is the judgment that first starts with God's people, then after the 42- month captivity/GT, the said captives are rescued/brought down to the said low plain (Armageddon) and the nations are gathered together to be judged at that time.
@Kosonen
Mainly this will be the test:
Revelation 14:9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb.11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever, and day and night they have no rest, those who worship the wild beast and its image and whoever receives the mark of its name. 12 Here is where it calls for endurance on the part of the holy ones, those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to the faith of Jesus.”Correct!
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Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
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Revelation 13 and 17 Beasts
by Duran inrevelation 17:8-11,12-14. revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3. revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21. revelation 15:2;20:4. what beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?
what beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the motb is given out?.
what beast is the 8th king?.
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Duran
The followng scriptures explain the real meaning of the temple.
Just wondering if you click the hyperlinks in my replies?
Are you aware that 42 months = 1,260 days = time, times and half a time = 3 1/2 (prophetic) years?
Hour of judgment = GT/42-months? According to the book of Revelation, an hour is a relatively short period of time, definitely not 42 months.
The time period here is referring to the 42-months. You are caught up on the use of 'hour' instead of 'time', but what you should be focused on are the words that follow, hour/time.
5610. hóra - a time or period, an hour
[ 17 For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?]
Without focusing on hour/time, what is the judgment that starts with the house of God?
[ 7 He was saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the time of judgment by him has arrived, so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and the springs of water.”]
What judgment from God takes place there?
[ 10 Because you kept the word about my endurance, I will also keep you from the time of test, which is to come upon the entire inhabited earth, to put to the test those dwelling on the earth.]
What is the test that is going to be put upon all dwelling on the earth?
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Revelation 13 and 17 Beasts
by Duran inrevelation 17:8-11,12-14. revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3. revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21. revelation 15:2;20:4. what beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?
what beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the motb is given out?.
what beast is the 8th king?.
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Duran
No physical place, no one religion. It is made up of all people around the world who are the wheat/sheep. These ones will refuse the 'mark' and therefore make up the great crowd and some from them rule with Jesus.
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Revelation 13 and 17 Beasts
by Duran inrevelation 17:8-11,12-14. revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3. revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21. revelation 15:2;20:4. what beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?
what beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the motb is given out?.
what beast is the 8th king?.
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Duran
Enter the "man of lawlessness." This group will be infiltrating God's people similar to the group that infiltrated first century Christians after the death of the apostles.
That is not the case, and it is clear that you are not concern with what the Scriptures actually state. The MOL is said to be in God's temple exalting himself and the KOTN/DT is said to be in the holy place exalting himself. The MOL comes to his end by Jesus and so does the KOTN. You can't have two entities in the temple/holy place at the same time both said to be exalting themselves above the other.
Connected with the apostasy/LIE from the MOL is judgment. It says those that believe the LIE/apostasy will perish/not be saved. It says of those they believe the LIE was because they did not love the truth.
Connected with the beast (who also comes to his end when Jesus comes) is the mark which is a judgment to those that take it/support the beast will get God's wrath (perish/not be saved).
In regard to the KOTN as you pointed out verse 35 mentions doing a refining/cleansing/whitening. That is because that is the GT/42-months and during such time is when what will be the great crowd, that is when they wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb.
Hour of judgment. Within the context and general scheme of things, this final warning would be given, therefore must be referring to Armageddon.
1 Pet. 4:17 Not sure of this one. Let me think about it.
The "hour of judgement' or 'hour of test' is a symbolic 'hour' and is referring to the GT/42-months. The test is as to whether you take the mark/support Satan's beast/8th king/kingdom, or if you refuse the mark in support of God's kingdom allowing yourself to be killed/captive during the 42-months. That is when the holy city/place/temple is said to be trampled. That time is the judgment that starts with the house of God.
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Revelation 13 and 17 Beasts
by Duran inrevelation 17:8-11,12-14. revelation 13:3,5,7,8,10;11:2,3. revelation 13:11-17;19:19,20,21. revelation 15:2;20:4. what beast does it state that gets thrown into the fiery lake with the false prophet?
what beast gets the 42-month authority given to it in which time the motb is given out?.
what beast is the 8th king?.
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Duran
Here I disagree. It is described as an "apostacy" Nothing to do with the eighth king, which is a political entity.
[2 However, brothers, concerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you 3 Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.]
[ 31 And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. “And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.32 “And those who act wickedly against the covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. But the people who know their God will prevail and act effectively.36“The king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god; and against the God of gods he will speak astonishing things. And he will prove successful until the denunciation comes to a finish; because what is determined must take place. 37 He will show no regard for the God of his fathers; nor will he show regard for the desire of women or for any other god, but he will magnify himself over everyone.]
The apostasy that has to come first before Jesus can come and gather his chosen is led by the KOTN/disgusting thing. He leads the apostasy AFTER he is put in the holy place which corresponds with the MOL sitting in God's temple. His being put in place corresponds with the kings giving the beast its 42-month authority. That time corresponds with the holy city being trampled on for 42-months which is the GT on God's people.
The apostasy/LIE with the MOL/8th king/KOTN/DT is done with the false prophet. It all has to do with taking the MOTB/supporting the 8th king/Satan's counterfeit kingdom.
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In regard to Revelation 14:9-12 above do you see that those that receive the mark will receive God's wrath?
What time frame in Revelation do you say the MOTB will be given out?
According to 1 Peter 4:17 judgment starts with the house of God. Where in Revelation do you say describes this judgment on God's house?
What do you say the 'hour of judgment' is referring to at Revelation 14:7 and when does it take place?