Posts by Duran

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

You seem to adpopt a position where if something is not given specific permission in scripture, it might be called 'wrong" by people like youself.

The root of your objection to celebrating the 25th is your contempt for other Christian faiths.

LOL! I know y'all were JWs at some point but do you every stop being the fools that it takes to be a JW?

Such foolish replies back and yet evasion when it comes to my questions.

I have not spoken about right or wrong or have I used the word pagan, nor have I said I object to December 25th if that is the date you want to choose. I asked that if the birth date is not known so one has to be picked, why can't you pick any date you want and privately celebrate? Why do you have to do it on Dec 25th? Those are questions!

Do you understand and agree if the date of Jesus' birth is not in the Bible, and he did not ask/command any to observe his birth, then the decision to celebrate it and the date chosen to do so does not come from him or the Bible, which means it comes from some other source. Period!

If the is the case, then that means that everyone who celebrates it are following the decision that was started/made by the source that started it. It has nothing to do as coming from Jesus.

Without getting into right or wrong, if the date of his birth is not in the Bible and there is nothing about Joseph and Mary nor his disciples celebrating his birth yearly, and Jesus never said to do so, then that means that the celebrating of it and the date to do it on came AFTER the Bible was written and by a source other than Jesus and the writers of the Bible.

So, do you who celebrate it know who chose to do so and who chose to do it on Dec 25th?

And is anyone willing to answer this:

Do you celebrate Halloween? If not, why?

And as far as:

1 Maccabees 4:36–39
Describes the rededication of the temple and the decree to celebrate annually on the 25th of Kislev which in 2024 also falls on December 25th.

Do you realize that Kislev 25 like Nisan 14 does not fall in the same month and day each year.

Kislev can be Nov/Dec and Nisan can be Mar/Apr, so celebrating something on either of those dates would need to change to adapt to the appropriate month and day to align with those dates, you can't pick/choose the month and day you want.

If Christmas is connected to Kislev 25 then Christmas can't be on Dec 25th every year.

Kislev 25 2024/Dec 26

Kislev 25 2023/Dec 8

Kislev 25 2022/Dec 19

Kislev 25 2021/Nov 29

And who decided that regardless of the fact that Jesus died on Nisan 14 a day that would fluctuate from year to year between March and April and whatever day of the week, who said that it will always be on a Friday (so-called 'Good Friday') regardless of if Nisan 14 aligns with that day or not?

Nisan 14 2023/Wed April 5

Nisan 14 2022/Fri April 14

Nisan 14 2021/Sat March 27

Nisan 14 2020/Wed April 8

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

I should say so. All people are of this 'world'.

Apparently, you do not understand Jesus' view of that...

[15 “I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one. 16 They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.]

Why does Jehovah get angry at his children when they celebrate his son's birthday?
I wouldn't get mad if others celebrated my son's birthday even if it was on the wrong date.

What have I said that you disagree with...

I have said and showed Jesus died on Nisan 14 and he said to continue to observe his death until he arrives. This can be shown using the Bible therefore it is Scriptural.

Do you agree with that so far?

Now I have also said that nowhere in the Bible can you show the date of his birth or that he asks for it to be observed year after year. (Are you able to show either from the Bible?) Therefore, it is not Scriptural.

Do you agree with that?

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Next part:

You can say, 'so what if the date of his birth is not in the Bible nor did he ask his birth to memorialize', 'I would like to do it and see nothing wrong with it.'

I ask if that is the case, then since you don't know the real date and you just have to pick a day, then why not pick any date you choose, and do it with yourself, family, friends, the way you would for your own son, self, family, friends?

Why do you have to do it on December 25th with the rest of 'the world'?

Who chose Dec 25th and why if it is not in the Bible?

What does Santa Claus, north pole, elves, flying reindeer, etc. have to do with Jesus' birth?

What does a tree being put in a home and putting presents under it have to do with Jesus' birth?

And speaking of the tree, you know it is grown in fields just to farm them, just to be cut down and sold, so that you can then bring a dead tree in your home, to put your presents under, then throw the tree out.

Who came up with that tradition of the tree and presents under it in celebrating Jesus' birth? Is it in the Bible?

Do you celebrate Halloween? If not, why?

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

aren't you free to do the same? Personally, I attend Christmas parties without being concerned about the religious aspects many still attach to it.

Sure, you can go if you are going to be with the ones that are there. And you can be the one who celebrates it yourself having people come to you. You can do what you want.

My point is, Dec 25 is not Jesus' birthday. No where in the Bible was it asked for his followers to memorialize his birth. The date and choice to memorialize it was complete done by people of 'the world'. It is not Scriptural and all that is associated with celebrating Christmas is dishonoring to the one it is claim that it is being done for.

That in itself means nothing at all. For example, the place where I grew up is on the same latitude as the south of France

LOL. I knew it meant nothing as well. He said sheep are outside year around, but what I asked was if he thought the shepherds would be sleeping/living outside overnight in the wintertime. Luke 2:8 There was no mention of it being wintertime like here. John 10:22

Even if the low was 43F at night, I can't image sleeping/living outdoors, sheep yes, me no.

icelandic-sheep-in-the-winter-at-east-hill-farm | The Inn at East Hill Farm

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The Lunatics Have Taken Over the Asylum

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/on-y9pv-cja?si=lr1dar4yshvymk7a.

just a song i really like.

it don't mean nothin' .

Duran

WOW, that was really awful. I thought it was a joke at first, like someone dubbed music over the video, but it seems it is real.

I need to get that melody and lyric out of my head before it takes root...

Os~~monds~~bourne Crazy ~~Horses~~ Train, much better...

Crazy Train Live in 1981

405

Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

Maybe think about the fact that Jesus is depicted as celebrating Hanukah. The Temple lights filled the night.

Jesus being present at events was because he went where the crowds were. Where every he was present it was to teach and to establish greater realities.

And in regard to the Passover in how it changed from the original night down to the night Jesus had it last with his disciples is not relevant to the topic of Christmas and the claim that it is memorializing the birth of Jesus.

For Jesus' followers there was no need to have another Passover meal in the manner in which it had been done up until that night. He was now the Passover Lamb and the observances of that from that point on (until he comes again) would be about the proclaiming his death (as the Passover Lamb) by eating and drinking of the bread and wine. (his body and blood)

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Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

The one thing the Israelites and the whole human race was waiting for, the coming of the savior of the world.
Don't you dare try to memoralize that !!!

Yes, they were waiting for that, and he came. And it would have been a great time to rejoice on his arrival/being born. But his being born was not what saves, it is his death that does. He had to be born in order to be alive to be put to death. Jesus put the emphasis on memorializing his death not his birth.

Is there anything in the Bible of Joseph and Mary celebrating Jesus' birth yearly?

How many things in your life do you practice that are not specifically commanded in the Bible?
In other words, do you place the same restrictions on yourself that you place on others?

Do you even know what you are talking about. We are not talking about ourselves or others. We are talking about Jesus and ourselves. If the Bible is the word of God and he had it written for us to come to know him, etc. through the Bible, then the restrictions (as you call them) would be determined by what is or not written in the Bible.

Let me ask you this...do you celebrate Halloween? If not, why?

405

Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

Rejoicing, being happy over the birth of a child is fine, normal, and expected. That happens on the actual day of the child's birth and then maybe for some days afterward from friends and family that could not be there on the day of birth.

The reason you have to ask 'is there any date that would be acceptable to memorialize the day Jesus was born' is because you don't know the date from the Bible. If Jesus wanted his birth memorialize year after year, he would have made the date know and made it known to do so. But he didn't do either. Any attempt to pick a date and to claim to celebrate the anniversary of his birth on that date is completely from people in the world wanting to do so. And even with that claim they do so with Santa (Satan), etc.

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The Lunatics Have Taken Over the Asylum

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/on-y9pv-cja?si=lr1dar4yshvymk7a.

just a song i really like.

it don't mean nothin' .

Duran

The Jacksons - Blame It On the Boogie (Official Video)

405

Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

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colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

Why is it important to you for you to need a direct command "in the way that Paul states to keep observing his death, until he arrives" regarding Christmas?

LOL!!!!!!

First off, what you are saying, and I am asking has nothing to do with JWs, nor wedding anniversaries. And for the record, I do not celebrate christmas or wedding anniversaries.

And I take it that you are unable to cite ANY Scripturally support to observe Jesus' birth like there is in regard to his death.

The reason it would be important to have such a direct command is because if it was something that Jesus wanted his followers to do then he would have made it clear to them to do so the way he did in regard to his death.

You said:

surely you have heard of Christmas? It's the greatest holiday the world has ever known

It is 'the people of the world' that came up with 'christmas', not Jesus. If that is the case, then are those that celebrate 'christmas' following Jesus or 'the world'?

[ 13 But now I am coming to you, and I am saying these things in the world, so that they may have my joy made complete in themselves.14 I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. 15 “I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one. 16 They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.]

[15 Do not love either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him;]

[19 We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.]

405

Is Jesus the Creator?

by Sea Breeze in

that's what the word says.

.

colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

Duran

Jesus' birth nine months later in December, near the time of the winter solstice, i.e. December 25th.

So, you think these Shepards were living/sleeping out in the fields during wintertime? Luke 2:8

Where is the Scripture equivalent that you can cite to support for Christians to keep observing Jesus' birth, in the way that Paul states to keep observing his death, until he arrives?