Posts by Duran

Two things make up what one person she is which is a black (Jamaican) Indian woman. The problem is when she identifies as only one or the other. She is both all the time and should identify as such.

Obama is referred to as the first black president, yet he is just as much white as he is black. Why not refer to him as the first biracial president.

We need Geoge back to straighten this up...

George Carlin on Race (youtube.com)

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by lastmanstanding in

what's next for the world?

a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

and i shared that map with various friends.

Duran

Duran you are cherrypicking and ignoring dozens of Scriptures that I pointed out showing Salvation to be a past tense event for Church-Age believers.

How is that your reply to what I asked you...

Rapture aside, I just want to know what your answers are to these questions.

1. How many times does Jesus return, two or three times?

2. When does this 'last day' begin on your chart?

[23 Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” 24 Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”]

3. Does Jesus descend here from heaven before the GT or after?

[16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.]

4. Does the revelation of Jesus from heaven occur before the GT or after?

[7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels]

5. Does the 'second time that he appears' occur before the GT or after?

[28 so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin, and he will be seen by those earnestly looking for him for their salvation.]

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by lastmanstanding in

what's next for the world?

a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

and i shared that map with various friends.

Duran

Just trying to work through some of your definitions here.
Are you assuming that the Last Day, the 1st Resurrection and the Rapture are all the same event?

LOL! Not my definitions, I used what was said in the Scriptures and Rapture was not one of them and neither is your silly chart.

Jesus is the one that said he will resurrect them on the 'last day'. John 6:39,40,44,54;11:23,24

Also, John said that the souls that he saw that had been executed for their witness they gave for speaking about Jesus and God and those that did not take the MOTB, that when they come to life to rule for the 1,000 years, that that is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4-6

So you tell me, when does the 'last day' arrive/begin?

There will be the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return (1 Thessalonians 4:16)

How many times does the Lord return, two or three times?

Does 1 Thessalonians 4:16 occur before or after the GT?

Does 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 occur before or after the GT?

Does Hebrews 9:28 occur before or after the GT?

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by lastmanstanding in

what's next for the world?

a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

and i shared that map with various friends.

Duran

So nothing happened, no big mobilization, prediction failed.

Or it is right on track and anytime now Iran will attack Israel and US and other countries will jump in to defend Israel which will bring in China, Russia, NK to aid Iran. Then with war, no elections in November to keep Trump out and put the UN in.

George Papadopoulos on X: "🚨JUST IN: Iran raised the red flag of Revenge on the dome of the Jamkaran mosque. War is coming. https://t.co/xyv2U7VhbL" / X

Iran reportedly convenes terror proxies to plot assassination response, Israel 'strongly prepared in defense' (msn.com)

Will Biden Take the U.S. Into a War With Iran? (reason.com)

The Biden administration affirmed again on Wednesday that it will help defend Israel in case of a conflict with Lebanon or Iran, as it did during clashes this April. And the administration has hinted before that it will get involved directly if Israel faces military setbacks in Lebanon. Israeli leaders may have been betting on exactly that outcome.

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by lastmanstanding in

what's next for the world?

a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

and i shared that map with various friends.

Duran

@SB

Do you agree/understand that Rev 20 verse 4 speaks of some of those that did not take the MOTB, etc will rule with Jesus for the 1,000 years. In order to refuse the MOTB one would have had to be on hand living during such a period in order to refuse it.

[4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.]

So, with that said, do you agree that in regard to these that will rule with Jesus, that they were here living during the time of the 42 months of the 8th king refusing to support him?

Do you say that these ones that will rule with Jesus are they part of the bride of Christ? If so, will they miss out on the marriage supper, 'the most fantastic party in heaven the universe has ever seen' as you said?

Also, verses 5,6 it says that this is the timing of the 'first resurrection' when these come to life to rule for the 1,000 years.

[ 5 This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years.]

At John 6:39 Jesus says that this resurrection occurs on what is called the 'last day'.

[ 39 This is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose none out of all those whom he has given me, but that I should resurrect them on the last day.]

At 2 Peter 3:8 it says:

[8 However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.]

Putting this all together, the first resurrection cannot happen any sooner than the first day of the 1,000 yearlong 'last day' and this 'last day' has to occur after the 42 months because some of those that will rule with Jesus have to be on hand during the 42 months in order for it to be said of them that they 'had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand'.

Do you agree with my reasoning there or do you believe that the first resurrection/last day/1,000 years begin before the 42 months of the 8th king?

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by lastmanstanding in

what's next for the world?

a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

and i shared that map with various friends.

Duran

@ SB

Will the presence/coming of Jesus and his chosen being gathered to him, will that occur before or after the MOL/apostasy comes? 2 Thessalonians 2:1,3

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[31 And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.“And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.32 “And those who act wickedly against the covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. But the people who know their God will prevail and act effectively.]

Who are the people at that time that know their God that will prevail and act effectively, meaning will not be led into apostasy? (Are they pre-rapture people or people left here after rapture occurs.)

Do those people know their God NOW today?

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by lastmanstanding in

what's next for the world?

a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

and i shared that map with various friends.

Duran

Think about it. Why would a Christian need to suffer to prove their faith when the many scriptures I presented prove Christians enjoy Salvation NOW?
Your theology requires ignoring all these scriptures above.
The reality is that the Church will be gone and along with it some of the perks they enjoyed. People can still be saved by faith during the GT, like you say; but that aint us. They will have to endure MUCH hardship and probably most will be murdered or die prematurely due to starvation or other unsavory conditions.

You just showed that you are aware that during the GT people are saved by their faith enduring the hardships upon them at that time. And YES, there is salvation NOW in having that faith because that is the promise/understanding attached to this faith. This is exactly why understanding and having this faith NOW will be critical to the ones that will willingly refuse the 8th king.

But with your wacky notion that every person having that faith NOW will get raptured up at that start of the 8th king, leaving 100% of people that lack that faith NOW and then somehow from among these same people left here, that didn't make the rapture, they are to be ones that have too instantaneous on day one of 8th king's rule have faith and belief in Jehovah and Jesus and refuse to support/worship him/take the MOTB, is absurd.

You are ignoring the Scriptures and their context. They clearly show that those that already have faith and belief in the promises connected to such faith, these are the ones that undergo such time faithfully enduing knowing that it means everlasting life in God's kingdom after the 8th king rule.

[10 If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.]

[12 Here is where it calls for endurance on the part of the holy ones, those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to the faith of Jesus.”]

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[31 And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature.“And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.32 “And those who act wickedly against the covenant, he will lead into apostasy by means of smooth words. But the people who know their God will prevail and act effectively.]

Who are the people at that time that know their God that will prevail and act effectively, meaning will not be led into apostasy? Do those people know their God NOW today?

[10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.]

At that time, in that day is referring to the revelation/coming of Jesus from heaven with his angels. Who are his holy ones and those that exercised faith?

[7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels]

Who are 'you' and 'us' referring to at that time and what 'tribulation' are they receiving 'relief' from?

Lastly, will the presence/revelation/coming of Jesus and his chosen being gathered to him, will that occur before or after the MOL/apostasy comes? 2 Thessalonians 2:1,3

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For God has not destined us for wrath - 1 Thess. 5: 9

This does not mean that they do not go through the GT. It means the wrath that they will not receive is that of which those get for taking the MOTB.

[9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath,]

[12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and a great earthquake occurred; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the entire moon became as blood, 13 and the stars of heaven fell to the earth as when a fig tree shaken by a high wind drops its unripe figs. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and every island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the high officials, the military commanders, the rich, the strong, every slave, and every free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 And they keep saying to the mountains and to the rocks: “Fall over us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 because the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”]

[ 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength,]

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by lastmanstanding in

what's next for the world?

a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

and i shared that map with various friends.

Duran

From a Scriptural perspective, (as far as I can see!) all of earth's inhabitants, whether Christian or non-Christian, will be given a clear choice - worship/serve either the wild beast or God:

That's it, you couldn't have stated it any simpler.

Rev 13:5,7,10,11,12,14-17

Rev 14:6,7,9-12

Rev 15:2;20:4;7:9,10;19:20,21

Only cults are looking forward to the GT as a means of Salvation. For Christians, God's grace & THE RAPTURE is their "blessed hope".

rev 13:10;matt 24:9,13,29-31;2 Thess 1:7-10;luke 21:25-28

The GT gives the chance to show/prove one's faith. Being willing to undergo/endure not being able to buy/sell, being taken captive/killed for refusing to support the 8th king during his 42-month rule shows/proves that you have faith that that will only occur for a short time and then Jesus will come and rescue/relieve you from such and then you will live under God's kingdom rule. That is how one's faith saves them.

en·dure -suffer (something painful or difficult) patiently:

faith - complete trust or confidence in someone or something:

[ 10 If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones.]

[9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb. 12 Here is where it calls for endurance on the part of the holy ones, those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to the faith of Jesus.”]

[ 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.]

[8 By this undeserved kindness you have been saved through faith, and this is not of your own doing; rather, it is God’s gift.]

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And do you have any response to the fact that Jesus' presence/coming, and his chosen being gathered to him will not occur until the MOL/apostasy comes first? 2 Thessalonians 2:1,3