Yes.
People pick up terms like that from the media instead of textbooks and the resultant argument is not about the textbook explanation at all.
Posts by TD
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131“White Privilege”
by minimus inlately that’s all i’ve been hearing about!
i’m sick and tired of listening to white people begging for forgiveness simply because they are white.
in a nearby town, a six year old girl asked her mom, “ why don’t we have a black lives matter march here?
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“White Privilege”
by minimus inlately that’s all i’ve been hearing about!
i’m sick and tired of listening to white people begging for forgiveness simply because they are white.
in a nearby town, a six year old girl asked her mom, “ why don’t we have a black lives matter march here?
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MMM
So initially you said that white people are defensive around the term “white privilege” because we just don’t quite understand it, or use the term correctly.
No quite.
I said "99 out of 100 people" which includes everybody. regardless of color.
White people naturally become defensive when the term is misused and rightly so.
White males actually get a double whammy via the term "Male privilege" which is often misused in the exact same fashion.
In both instances, it is a misunderstanding of the concept to apply it to an individual that you don't know via the claim that they are "privileged."
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“White Privilege”
by minimus inlately that’s all i’ve been hearing about!
i’m sick and tired of listening to white people begging for forgiveness simply because they are white.
in a nearby town, a six year old girl asked her mom, “ why don’t we have a black lives matter march here?
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TD
Is this not a 'God-of-the-gaps' argument? Poor logic.
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"God of the gaps" is the assumption, usually by creationists, of a supernatural cause for that which science can't currently explain. I'm pretty good at formal logic, but don't follow yours.
Perhaps instead of saying "You know it when you see it" I should have said, "You know it when you experience it."
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“White Privilege”
by minimus inlately that’s all i’ve been hearing about!
i’m sick and tired of listening to white people begging for forgiveness simply because they are white.
in a nearby town, a six year old girl asked her mom, “ why don’t we have a black lives matter march here?
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TD
Simon
I'm not debating what vestiges of the phenomenon still exist today.
If you want examples of restaurants that didn't want your money if you were black as part of a general discussion I can give them because one actually went to the Supreme Court.
But as I've said, social privilege (Or the lack thereof) is entirely dependent upon where you are and who you're around and the only person who can truly judge whether you've ever benefited from it personally is you yourself.
The automatic assumption that a person is privileged because he or she is white is frankly very irritating.
As far as Floyd is concerned, I'm not aware of anybody in any official capacity who maintains that Chauvin is blameless at this point.
Regardless of whether the cause of death was "Cardiopulmonary Arrest Complicating Law Enforcement Subdual, Restraint, and Neck Compression" as Baker reported or "Asphyxiation From Sustained Pressure" as Wilson and Baden reported, the ultimate conclusion of both examinations was homicide.
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“White Privilege”
by minimus inlately that’s all i’ve been hearing about!
i’m sick and tired of listening to white people begging for forgiveness simply because they are white.
in a nearby town, a six year old girl asked her mom, “ why don’t we have a black lives matter march here?
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MMM
That doesn’t sound like “privilege”, it sounds like “preference”.
When the preference is strong enough that it affects hiring decisions, whether you're even welcome in the restaurant at all, whether people think it's safe to have you living on the same street, the perceptions of a jury, etc. it does translate into an advantage, privilege, asset or whatever we want to call it.
Do you honestly think that black people would not also express an “immediate acceptance” for other blacks?
You're familiar with Washington DC, right? Why do you think a white boy like me couldn't get served in that particular restaurant?
Would you call that “black privilege”? Don’t you think those blacks might share something more than skin color?
People are people and they all have preferences. A great many people (apparently) don't seem to understand when the preference crosses the line into a prejudice.
There was a recent article in Scientific American, authored by twelve medical professionals which explained how initial reports of George Floyd's autopsy misused medical terms to make the police appear less culpable.
Look at how many people not only bought into it, but embellished it further, to the point where it morphed into the claim that Floyd was in a drug fueled rage which left the police no choice.
I'm not saying this was necessarily racial prejudice, as there are people who will reflexively defend the police no matter what they do. But either way, it is still food for thought.
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“White Privilege”
by minimus inlately that’s all i’ve been hearing about!
i’m sick and tired of listening to white people begging for forgiveness simply because they are white.
in a nearby town, a six year old girl asked her mom, “ why don’t we have a black lives matter march here?
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MMM
So, after the fallout, what is “white privilege”? Can it be clearly defined?
It can't be clearly defined, but you do know it when you see it.
Ten years ago, I was self employed as a tech consultant and ended up spending 3 weeks in Texarkana. Nice place, if you don't mind the heat of Arizona coupled with the humidity of Louisiana
The people were very friendly too. They would come right up to my table as I was eating and say," Hello. I'm Billy Bob Walker and I don't think I've seen you around these parts. Where y'all from?"
And Billy Bob would visibly relax when I said "Arizona" which was a confederate state.
That's privilege. --Immediate acceptance into the social group based on skin color and geographic origin.
I'm not saying I would have been beaten up if I was a man of color, but these guys sure as hell wouldn't have pulled up chairs and tossed down beers with me.
But as I said, social privilege is a relative thing that depends entirely upon the perceptions of the people around you.
Around the same time, I was completely ignored at a restaurant in Georgetown, which is where I grew up. --Left after 45 minutes of inattention. "White privilege" didn't amount to diddly squat.
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“White Privilege”
by minimus inlately that’s all i’ve been hearing about!
i’m sick and tired of listening to white people begging for forgiveness simply because they are white.
in a nearby town, a six year old girl asked her mom, “ why don’t we have a black lives matter march here?
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TD
Wow. All I can say reading all of the posts on these threads is, wow.
Since you said you've read all the posts, I'll point out that I've acknowledge the social phenomenon, but believe that 99 out of 100 people who use the term don't actually understand it and misapply it.
--Which is exactly why it elicits feelings of defensiveness among white people.
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What Fun Things Have You Been Doing While In Lock-Down?
by Simon inso we've all been locked down and there's only so much netflix / prime / disney / hbo you can watch and computer games you can play.
what has everyone been doing to pass the time?.
when you're completely stuck inside and working from home it can get a bit boring staring at the same walls all day and then in the evening as well.
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I love those fans. It kinda reminds me of Rick Dale's work
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“White Privilege”
by minimus inlately that’s all i’ve been hearing about!
i’m sick and tired of listening to white people begging for forgiveness simply because they are white.
in a nearby town, a six year old girl asked her mom, “ why don’t we have a black lives matter march here?
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TD
Social privilege is a group phenomenon, that does not necessarily apply to any particular individual within the group.
(e.g. Although white privilege was real in the early 1940's, that didn't mean a whole helluva lot to Jewish people in Auschwitz-Birkenau and other extermination camps.)
Nothing screams, "I have no friggin clue what I'm talking about" more than people applying it to individuals today.
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US military pussing out
by phoenixrising inthe us military is really pussing out over the past several years.
mixing women and men and wondering why women get pregnant on the front line and letting in trannys and others who should not be in the military now the bend over to terrorist groups like blm and others.
if we ever have to go toe to toe with the big boys of the world that do not puss out we may very well get our asses kicked.
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TD
Iran is not the only country that mistakes tolerance for weakness. China was throwing around the term, "Paper Tiger" when I was a child. (And I am as old as dirt now...)
At the same time however, China used to get into border skirmishes with the former USSR, which is a military more on par with the US in terms of structure and philosophy. China got a black eye every single time as I recall.
As a comparison, Phoenix, do you think Israel does poorly in combat?
I'd also add that the mystique of conservatism was that we were strict constructionists when it came to the Constitution. Especially the 2nd amendment.
Bemoaning the lack of military intervention on our own soil makes me wonder what has become of conservatism.