Well said, Min. You salute the rank, not the officer.
Posts by TD
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17“He’s Not My President “
by minimus init’s already happening .
biden was officially named president-elect yesterday.
i think trump exhausted all of his avenues to keep the presidency.
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Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?
by pistolpete inso the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.
it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.
americans love guns!.
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Pete,
A slippery slope fallacy occurs when one claims in the absence of any sort of evidence that a relatively small first step will inevitably lead to a chain of related steps culminating in an overall negative effect.
It is not a fallacy when one can provide evidence for or otherwise demonstrate that progression.
Are you aware of Biden's thirty-six year history as a senator? Are you aware of the bills he introduced and voted on during that time? If you are, then you understand that he is not exactly a fan of handguns either. (To put it mildly.) If you believe the draconian measures he proposed for nearly four decades as a senator were reasonable and measured, I would really like to know why.
Are you sure you understand exactly what it is that Biden proposes now? It is not simply a ban on the so-called "Assault weapons." It is a ban on every center-fire semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine, which includes a goodly number of makes and models. Again, if you believe this is reasonable and measured, I would like to understand why.
It also is not a logical fallacy to point out when an argument is inimical one's point. You said that, "People will hurt each other with whatever means they have, if motivated to" (Emphasis yours) and that this understanding "...is behind the logic of locking up the kitchen knives if an argument breaks out" and "It also is behind the logic of gun regulation."
Hyperbole is by definition not logical, but if your reference to kitchen knives was along the lines of "Hide the knives," and this was simply your own dry humor, then okay. (I've got a dry sense of humor too, so I can appreciate that.)
Even with that clarification though, you have still advanced an argument that would apply with equal force to all firearms because there is not a single one that we could not hurt each other with if motivated to.
Open ended arguments are incompatible with the notions of reason and measure. If pointing this out is a logical fallacy in your mind, then I would say, "Physician heal thyself."
On a more personal note, I would happily have this conversation with you on my patio while filling your wine glass. I appreciate your willingness to discuss this topic and wish you good health.
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Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?
by pistolpete inso the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.
it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.
americans love guns!.
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Pete,
That kind of "all or nothing" cognitive disfunction (of a small percentage of the population) is a large aspect of the problem.
I was referring specifically to the U.K. and the path they took and the arguments they made as they did it.
You can chide me about cognitive dysfunction if you want, but you, my friend, are the one who made the jump from weapons to purely utilitarian objects like kitchen knives and therefore it is you have bridged the gap and made my point for me via a demonstration of the logical end-point of your argument.
I'm not trying to be caustic here. As I pointed out farther up this thread a ban on what Biden calls, "weapons of war" would not be enough. Not in a country as violent as the U.S.
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Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?
by pistolpete inso the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.
it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.
americans love guns!.
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Pete
People will hurt each other with whatever means they have, if motivated to.
Yes. Therefore it is important to differentiate between a lateral movement in the types of murders committed vs. a vertical movement in the numbers of murders committed.
That understanding is behind the logic of locking up the kitchen knives if an argument breaks out. It also is behind the logic of gun regulation.
That is an argument whose end point is the denial of a pinky-sized keychain pepper-spray aerosol to a 50kg woman who must walk to her car after sunset.
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Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?
by pistolpete inso the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.
it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.
americans love guns!.
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Pete
Where does this logic break down?
The break in logic occurs via the assumption that murder rates and other forms of violence are a single ingredient recipe. Criminologists have looked for a direct correlation between guns and violence and been unable to find it. A country, like the former Soviet Union for example, can have a gun ownership rate of effectively 0% and still have a murder rate of roughly twice what we have here in the U.S.
Mass shootings make me physically ill and it is tough to keep emotion out of the discussion. But the fact remains that an ordinary pump-action shotgun will put more lead into the air faster than a so-called, "Assault rifle" The term "Assault rifle" itself is one the Left coined to describe civilian variants of modern military rifles and as such, it is misleading and inaccurate. No military force on earth uses the AR family of rifle. It is not a battlefield weapon and never has been.
Personally, I would like to see the bar for gun ownership raised considerably. There's a saying here in my state to the effect that it's very easy to buy a gun here, but it's even easier to go to jail for a long, long time because of it. The laws regarding the carry and use of a firearm are quite complex and most gun owners are not versed nearly well enough.
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Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?
by pistolpete inso the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.
it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.
americans love guns!.
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For years and years the left maintained the fiction that the right to keep and bear arms existed only under the auspices of s militia. (Which is ridiculous when you think about it, as guaranteeing the right of a military body to bear arms is a tautology.)
A great deal of past discussion, including the notion of legitimate use (Which is not necessarily the same thing as lawful use ) occurred under that rubric
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Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?
by pistolpete inso the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.
it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.
americans love guns!.
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The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the standing army from being used against the citizenry. The idea is a little archaic today because royal families do not maintain their power via their own private armies, and we never accepted the idea of royalty here anyway, but the division between civil and military authority is still enshrined in our Constitution and laws.
The Second Amendment would probably not be the issue that it is today except for the Civil War and the intense lawlessness that followed. It was during this period that names like Colt, Winchester and Remington became household words and guns became fixed in the American psyche as symbols of freedom. (Which puzzles the rest of the English speaking word.)
Biden is a life-long politician and probably understand that elections here are decided by moderates and that you only have to anger a tiny fraction of them to lose the next one. But we'll see...
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Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?
by pistolpete inso the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.
it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.
americans love guns!.
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I've deconstructed the technical errors in that drivel here on this forum for twenty years... -
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Is it possible for any Country to have “Reasonable” Gun Laws? What would they be?
by pistolpete inso the new biden/harris gun policies are starting to appear.
it’s not clear yet, what they will be.. some suggestions; confiscate all guns.------buyback programs in each state.. there is much talk on social media that if this happens, the pandemic, + all the riots, + all the damaged property, + all the annual murders in america, - put together-will be like a sunday afternoon picnic, compared to all the deaths and property damage that will result because of “civil uprising” by millions of 2nd amendments advocates and just plain gun lovers.
americans love guns!.
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DC vs Heller? McDonald vs City of Chicago? Caetano vs Massachusetts?
Biden's gun grabbing tendencies would not survive judicial scrutiny...