we were told we were part of the world if we got involved in politics.
if we had employment that had political involvement we were instructed to get another job.
we were told we might be considered disassociated if we voted and then it became questionable.
Context is everything. No normal person reading that passage would come away with the idea that Christians should not participate in society.
I understand if someone has problems with war and related issues, but that doesn't mean you cannot or should not vote on whether a school gets built
we were told we were part of the world if we got involved in politics.
if we had employment that had political involvement we were instructed to get another job.
we were told we might be considered disassociated if we voted and then it became questionable.
Yes they're wrong
Voting is a civic responsibility of everyone. Your only viable alternative is to go off and live on an island somewhere
The Witnesses make the argument that by voting, you are responsible for anything bad the person you vote for does, which is fallacious because that's not how representative democracy works. We as humans make the best decisions we can and employ others in areas we're not qualified or don't have time for. If a doctor, lawyer, architect, or engineer screws up, it's not your fault for hiring them. It's their fault for failing you. And it's the same with politicians.
Even if this were not the case, you are just as responsible for your inactions as you are for your actions. If you can do harm by voting, (I don't agree with that, but let's assume just for the sake of discussion that the Witnesses are right) then you can also do harm by not voting. If you are responsible for the bad things someone you vote for does than you are equally responsible for the bad things someone you don't vote against does.
So the JW argument fails on both fronts.
this site was and remains instrumental in assisting people that want to leave the jw's.. there has been political discussion here for some time now, a good couple of years and it makes me feel a little uneasy.
i just opened up the site for the first time in some weeks, of the 10 posts being discussed, 4 were by the same poster, about politics, promoting their right wing beliefs.. this has been the trend for some time now, the same name behind a peppering of posts stirring the right v left of politics.. i remain forever grateful to the site and it's founders simon & angharad, i appreciate that simon shares some of these these political beliefs.
it would be a shame to see the site evolve from a place for jw freedom of thought and escape, to political squabbling, that the world is frankly tired of right now.. just to clarify, politics is my hobby, whilst my friends read the football scores, i'm reading polling data.
Yes. He was a prophet of the Y2K apocalypse a few years before he came here and when that failed to materialize he was completely unfazed.
--Which to me, raises the question of whether he actually believes what he's peddling
this site was and remains instrumental in assisting people that want to leave the jw's.. there has been political discussion here for some time now, a good couple of years and it makes me feel a little uneasy.
i just opened up the site for the first time in some weeks, of the 10 posts being discussed, 4 were by the same poster, about politics, promoting their right wing beliefs.. this has been the trend for some time now, the same name behind a peppering of posts stirring the right v left of politics.. i remain forever grateful to the site and it's founders simon & angharad, i appreciate that simon shares some of these these political beliefs.
it would be a shame to see the site evolve from a place for jw freedom of thought and escape, to political squabbling, that the world is frankly tired of right now.. just to clarify, politics is my hobby, whilst my friends read the football scores, i'm reading polling data.
Eden,
To be short, yes, I believe that individuals like "e-watchman" do suffer from a personality disorder that is yet to be formally named, but is emerging in scientific studies, They play into the hands of people who craft conspiracy theories, becoming their useful tools in the vital role of spreading and amplifying them.
That individual is more purveyor than consumer.
The weaving of current events into his wild, allegorical scriptural interpretations and the promotion of those ideas to the gullible goes back more than twenty years.
For those curious:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/users/6903/You%20Know/topics
this site was and remains instrumental in assisting people that want to leave the jw's.. there has been political discussion here for some time now, a good couple of years and it makes me feel a little uneasy.
i just opened up the site for the first time in some weeks, of the 10 posts being discussed, 4 were by the same poster, about politics, promoting their right wing beliefs.. this has been the trend for some time now, the same name behind a peppering of posts stirring the right v left of politics.. i remain forever grateful to the site and it's founders simon & angharad, i appreciate that simon shares some of these these political beliefs.
it would be a shame to see the site evolve from a place for jw freedom of thought and escape, to political squabbling, that the world is frankly tired of right now.. just to clarify, politics is my hobby, whilst my friends read the football scores, i'm reading polling data.
I guess we all have our own hot buttons and blind spots.
I'm still mulling over the perception that this board has not always been highly political.
Does nobody remember the retired attorney asking the men here in all seriousness how they had adjusted to no longer being dictators? Or how threads often morphed into attacks on men?
Does nobody remember the months of discussion on WMDs in Iraq? Our whether the second Gulf War was about oil?
Does nobody remember the many discussions on whether there was ever a legitimate reason to own a gun?
Does nobody remember how conservative residents of the Midwestern and Southwestern U.S. were portrayed as uneducated by liberals who seemed to think they were?
what a total bunch of asswipes the left has become.
now they have gotten the publishers to stop printing dr. seuss.
dr seuss.
This has actually been going on for quite a while. (Decades)
Mark Twain, Laura Ingalls Wilder, Jean de Brunhoff, H. A. Rey, Road Dahl, Claire Bishop and Majorie Flack are just a few of the authors who have been censored by school and library associations.
Since most of these authors are deceased, the heirs and foundations who hold the copyrights could follow suit
this site was and remains instrumental in assisting people that want to leave the jw's.. there has been political discussion here for some time now, a good couple of years and it makes me feel a little uneasy.
i just opened up the site for the first time in some weeks, of the 10 posts being discussed, 4 were by the same poster, about politics, promoting their right wing beliefs.. this has been the trend for some time now, the same name behind a peppering of posts stirring the right v left of politics.. i remain forever grateful to the site and it's founders simon & angharad, i appreciate that simon shares some of these these political beliefs.
it would be a shame to see the site evolve from a place for jw freedom of thought and escape, to political squabbling, that the world is frankly tired of right now.. just to clarify, politics is my hobby, whilst my friends read the football scores, i'm reading polling data.
Blast from the past. (Just so everyone knows I'm not making this stuff up)
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/67757/liberal-equals-ex-jw
this site was and remains instrumental in assisting people that want to leave the jw's.. there has been political discussion here for some time now, a good couple of years and it makes me feel a little uneasy.
i just opened up the site for the first time in some weeks, of the 10 posts being discussed, 4 were by the same poster, about politics, promoting their right wing beliefs.. this has been the trend for some time now, the same name behind a peppering of posts stirring the right v left of politics.. i remain forever grateful to the site and it's founders simon & angharad, i appreciate that simon shares some of these these political beliefs.
it would be a shame to see the site evolve from a place for jw freedom of thought and escape, to political squabbling, that the world is frankly tired of right now.. just to clarify, politics is my hobby, whilst my friends read the football scores, i'm reading polling data.
Political views have been discussed here from day one. From the Gulf Wars to the Neo Conservative movement, to Bill Clinton's indescretions, it was all discussed here
This forum was so rabidly liberal years ago that you could cut the man hate with a knife which was an anger I felt was very much misplaced, especially for those of us trying to help our wives out of this cult.
But that's the nature of politics. The pendulum swings from one extreme to the other. Personally, I prefer the middle but that's not going to change anything
i would like to get some feed back from pomo's who's spouse is still pimi.
since myself and our son's left the jw cult.
my wife has been m.i.a has a mom and a wife.
I've said this before and I'll say it again.
As someone who has been through this, bringing up the contradictions, dishonesty, and downright silliness of the JW faith is counterproductive in the extreme.
For the longest time (Years....) I could not see that with my wife.
In retrospect, I would say I refused to see.
The JW faith, as kooky as it is, was filling an emotional need. The trick was to figure out what that need was and fill it with something healthier.
Nothing short of that is going to loosen the hold
why does the j-w forums have a demonic avatar as starting avatar?
why would a biblical religion even consider having demonic images included, in any of their content?.
Is this a reference to the gravatar, default images maybe?
