Posts by TD

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Praise Jehovah God, Jehovah's Witnesses are not part of 'The Disinformation Dozen'

by was a new boy in

'so who are the disinformation dozen?

1. joseph mercola .

2. robert f. kennedy, jr. .

TD

Freedom of speech indeed implies the freedom to yell fire in a crowded theater. The notion that you can’t was overturned by the Supreme Court a century ago.

Curious, because this actually has a direct tie-in to JW's

"Shouting fire in a crowded theater" is a paraphrase of the unanimous opinion in a 1919 SCOTUS case which held that opposition to military conscription was not protected speech under the 1st Amendment

(Rutherford & Co got in trouble over essentially the same thing)

That was partially overturned 50 years later in 1969. (Brandenburg v. Ohio) which I think might be what you're referencing (???)

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Just the Flu eh?

by Slidin Fast in

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/04/fit-and-healthy-man-42-from-southport-who-rejected-vaccine-dies-of-covid.

this has been widely reported by left and right wing news papers.

just food for thought..

TD

The smallpox vaccines (APSV, Imvanex, and the more recent ACAM2000) were not injections. They were administered with a specialized instrument that left multiple pin-pricks in a dime-sized pattern, usually on the skin of your upper arm. The recipient develops a single pustule, that usually leaves a scar.

Back in the day, people were terrified of this procedure, but it was a requirement to attend public school.

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

TD

DD

Therein lies the rub….
What additional conclusions will be justified by those who buy into the false analogy?

An analogy doesn't justify any conclusion, because even a good analogy will break down if you push it too far.

Humans aren't very logical creatures though.

It's hard for me to tell in this case if Ms. Wen's intentions were good or if she meant to suggest that there should be civil and/or criminal penalties for the unvaccinated, just like there are for drunk drivers.

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

TD

An analogy is a rhetorical device, not an exercise in logic.

For example, saying that "Electricity flows through wires like water flows through a pipe" is not correct in the technical sense, but it is not a logical fallacy. It's just a bad analogy.

A logical fallacy occurs only if that comparison is used as proof of a conclusion as in, ".. therefore you shouldn't abruptly shut off an electrical connection because you could burst the wire."

This is a logical fallacy. It's called Faulty Analogy and/or Reasoning through analogy.

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Logical Fallacy… can I get some help here?

by DATA-DOG in

dr. leanna wen is currently spreading the fallacy that unvaccinated persons should have vaccines mandated because they are like drunk drivers… they have the right to be drunk at home she says, but wanting to be part of society at large without being vaccinated is like driving drunk and putting others at risk.

besides ignoring the science proving that persons who have had sars cov-2 have natural immunity that equals or exceeds anything that could be imparted from the mrna shot, without the side effects or need for boosters, ( sorry big pharma, you’ll be losing $$$ ) this illustration just smacks of illogical reasoning.

it reminds me of the borg comparing getting baptized to getting your driver’s license.

TD

I don't think it's a very good analogy, but it doesn't become a logical fallacy in the formal sense until someone uses the alleged similarity to justify additional conclusions.

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Have you been vaccinated? Have you had any side effects?

by LoveUniHateExams in

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hi all.. i'm 42 years old.

i have had two jabs of the oxford-astrazeneca vaccine.. after my first jab i experienced flu-like symptoms - shivering, wanted to lie down in a dark room, etc.. i experienced no side effects after my second shot.. how about you?.

how many jabs have you had?.

TD

Yes - Pfize, back in April

Mild soreness in my arm for the first dose

Shivered with fever for several hours after the second one.

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Statements or Comments Made By JWs That Were WRONG

by minimus in

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jehovah’s witnesses claim to be the only religion that has the truth.

they claim to be representing god himself.

can you think of anything that you could use to prove that the witnesses do not have the truth?.

TD

Diogenesister

JW writers and memorial speakers have been repeating the misconception that day and night are of equal length on the spring and autumnal equinox for at least 80 years.

It wouldn't be worth mentioning except for the JW conviction that they are in possession of superior knowledge on a great many things.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/187518/jw-science-quote-1-15

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Statements or Comments Made By JWs That Were WRONG

by minimus in

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jehovah’s witnesses claim to be the only religion that has the truth.

they claim to be representing god himself.

can you think of anything that you could use to prove that the witnesses do not have the truth?.

TD

I'm sorry to keep harping on this, but IMHO, it is huge...

Jehovah's Witnesses teach that there are two and only two Christian hopes:

A: The heavenly calling

B: Surviving the great tribulation (i.e. The earthly hope)

This has been discussed every single year at every single Memorial for as long as I can remember.

Jehovah's Witnesses therefore teach that the heavenly calling was the only hope from Pentecost clear up until the proximity of the great tribulation made the identification of the second hope possible.

That happened in 1935. The clock started ticking then and there and this is openly acknowledged in their literature:

"God’s infallible Word depicts this group as ‘coming out of the great tribulation,’ being survivors of it, living right on into God’s New Order without ever having to die. (Revelation 7:9, 10, 14; John 11:26) The early members of this group are now in their 60’s or 70’s or older. Jehovah did not allow the ingathering of this group to begin too soon. The “great crowd,” including many of the earliest members thereof, will survive into the “new earth.” (Survival Into a New Earth p. 185 emphasis mine)

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Survival-Into-a-New-Earth/The-Countdown-Nears-Its-Zero-Hour/

This quote is nearly 40 years old now and the passage of that time has made it glaringly obvious that it is completely wrong. 1935 was 86 years ago and even a 15-year-old at the time would be over 100 today.

Jehovah's Witnesses sometimes get details wrong that are not essential to their faith (Like what an equinox is for example) but this does not fall into that category.

The Christian hope is an essential matter of faith. It's what JWs believe that Jesus died for and it's what they teach at their Memorial.

And they were (And still are) wrong

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CO said; “Friends (plural) who’ve been raised in the truth are beginning to have doubts regarding their faith”

by pistolpete in

here is what a co said at the elders and ms meeting.

it goes to show that no matter how hard the governing body tries to instill fear of apostates, it's just not working on the young crowd of jws.. it's a new generations of born in jws--------and they don't buy this shit anymore.

it's really over for the watchtower.

TD

JW eschatology lies in shambles and nobody seems to know how to pick up the pieces.

It's not just the overlapping generation nonsense (Although that's bad enough..)

The people who were stood up in 1935 and told clearly and unequivocally that they were the great crowd are gone (Even the youngest would be over 100 today) and there is zero explanation for why.

I'm surprised more JW's aren't having serious doubts.

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45K Death Count from Covid Shot Lawsuit

by was a new boy in

https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/3c6a0774-cfad-46fa-aa97-af5aa5e74f00/jane%20doe%20declaration.pdf.

https://renz-law.com/45k-whistleblower-suit.

TD

In a similar vein, holding a straight path doing one's due diligence would have meant reading Judy Micovits' papers in the order in which she published them (Including the 2009 paper, that was first amended, then retracted and finally falsified entirely) and not blindly accepting the gibbering insanity in the Plandemic video.

In would have meant not blindly believing the idea that hospitals were empty and Covid 19 was therefore a hoax because a bozo in Germany showed video of a hospital wing undergoing renovation as proof.

And yet it would not be very hard at all to go back and find some of the same people making outrageous claims about mRNA vaccines who embraced both of those ideas right here on this forum.