i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.
thanks..
The said scholar is big on grammar and he has read the verses grammatically in line with sound exegesis.
I'd kinda like to hear a grammatical argument if such can be framed.
Assuming a preferred understanding is the only grammatically possible understanding is exactly how critics of the NWT get themselves into trouble.
the jws i know (which admittedly are more liberal than most) are suddenly into prepping to one degree or another.
some have simply assembled "go bags" with basic common sense supplies in case they need to bug out in the event of a natural disaster and others seem to be seriously into it, almost to the degree to which mormons are.
backup generators and a year's supply of food and water).
The JWs I know (which admittedly are more liberal than most) are suddenly into prepping to one degree or another. Some have simply assembled "go bags" with basic common sense supplies in case they need to bug out in the event of a natural disaster and others seem to be seriously into it, almost to the degree to which Mormons are. (e.g. Backup generators and a year's supply of food and water)
I'm wondering if this is just a regional, isolated thing or if it comes from higher up in the JW leadership?
This is not a criticism. (Far from it.)
over-all how would you view your life on this planet so far ?
fair , good , satisfactory ,not so good ,terrible.,?.
let me explain if i can ,i didn`t become a jw until my very late teens 19 and more likely close to 20. .
No complaints, other than time slipping away much too quickly.
Best wishes to everyone.
why can jw's give blood samples for testing in a medical setting?
i was with someone once (non jw related) who was getting multiple tests done and they must have taken a good pint all together in separate vials.
how do jw's square this with their blood policies?
The JW argument against the storage of blood is a rewording of the instructions given to Israelite hunters. Wild animals don't let you walk up to them and slit their throats in the Kosher manner and methods of putting a wild creature to death from a distance (e.g. An arrow, a spear, a snare, etc.) do not adequately bleed the carcass.
Residual blood needed to be removed from the body by being poured out. The JW's have subtly reworded this obligation into the stricture, "Blood removed from the body must be poured out", which would normally preclude any and all storage of blood.
Here's an example from the 1990 brochure, How Can Blood Save Your Life?:
"Witnesses believe that blood removed from the body should be disposed of, so they do not accept autotransfusion of predeposited blood. Techniques for intraoperative collection or hemodilution that involve blood storage are objectionable to them." (Cell salvage and isovolemic hemodilution procedures have both been modified slightly to make them acceptable to JW's)
Here's an example from a 1989 Watchtower:
"We have long appreciated that such stored blood certainly is no longer part of the person. It has been completely removed from him, so it should be disposed of in line with God’s Law: “You should pour it out upon the ground as water"
The use of blood for testing purposes is rationalized via the idea that the amount of blood is small; the storage is transient and not for the purposes of consumption or transfusion anyway. (As TonusOH points out above).
basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
Fisherman
The Decree clearly forbids the eating of blood. Whether it is binding upon Christians as the JW's and a few other groups teach is a slightly different discussion.
The JW's have misquoted and misrepresented medical sources on this teaching almost from the beginning. (I can give examples)
i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.
thanks..
I believe it was being called the "KISS" method years ago.
The average JW can't follow it and their internet apologists won't accept it, but for whatever it's worth:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/55372/586-587-k-approach-no-vat4956-ptolemy-josephus-needed
hi friends , i thought i would just let you know it`s my wife and i, 62nd wedding anniversary today.. not that we were able to celebrate much as my wife wasn`t up to it today .. however i did manage to give her a couple of champers at home ,while i had a couple o ales with friends down at the club and managed to put on lotto for tonite and a couple of keno`s from the club ,you never know the god`s might smile upon us for doing something right after all these years.?.
take care guys.. smiddy 3.
Heartfelt congratulations!
basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
An analogy is a useful rhetorical device for visualizing a principle after it has been established, but does not an argument make
Or as Plato said:
“Arguments that make their
point by means of similarities are impostors, and, unless you are on
your guard against them, will quite readily deceive you.”
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I've explained the flaws in the "abstain from blood" argument at length.
When it comes to the first abstention, (things sacrificed to idols) the JW's readily acknowledge:
a. That "abstain" negates actions, not objects
b. That a finite act is required to complete the thought
c. That in this case, that act is idolatry.
d. That what the Decree actually forbade was therefore the eating of an idol sacrifice as part of a pagan ritual. (I am quoting from JW literature here.)
The honesty of JW writers on this matter is required to resolve what would otherwise be a serious contradiction in their teaching.
The second abstention (blood) is governed by the exact same rubric. The rules of definition and grammar don't change from one sentence to the next and they certainly don't change in mid-sentence.
basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
Everyone certainly has to make their own decision.
Whole blood transfusions still occur on the battlefield, but that is not a situation a JW is likely to encounter.
In a hospital setting, patients are usually administered only the component they actually need because, (A) It is safer for the patient and (B) It is much more cost effective.
I can easily envision the next major adjustment to the teaching (Assuming there is one) as a reduction in the scope of prohibited components to whole blood alone. Partial components of all types would be allowed. The JW's could very honestly and truthfully point out that biblical prohibitions against blood are all references to whole blood. The JW's leadership could save face and the human cost of the teaching would be greatly reduced.
But then what do I know?
basic blood questions for jehovah's witnesses.
where does the bible outlaw blood transfusions?
(acts 15:29 gen.9:4) .
Hemoglobin is constructed as a ring molecule called a porphyrin, which is difficult to break down. Hemoglobin is instead converted in a series of steps into a toxic waste product known as bile, which gives feces their characteristic brown color. Bile does serve a useful purpose on its way out, but is not nutrition in and of itself
The one single blood component capable of providing anything resembling a nutritional benefit when transfused is albumin, which is an allowed component under JW policy.
(Under extreme conditions, the body will consume its own albumin, resulting in the distended stomach and swollen joints you've probably seen in pictures.)
Albumin transfusions were given to starving people in post-war Japan, but we have better preparations today and this is no longer done.
