Honest question:
What ethnicity is Mrs Butterworth supposed to be?
Antique bottles that I've seen looked like a middle-aged Swiss or possibly German woman.
Even after they started using the brown glass, the character was still clearly European:
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104Aunt Jemima and Mrs.Buttersworth Need To Be Destroyed!
by minimus inwe have to get rid of these racist relics.
i propose that we destroy all these bottles of syrups and burn every pancake box !
we need to get rid of anything that reminds us of anything negative concerning slavery.. in boston they decapitated the head of christopher columbus and got rid of his statue.
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Rolf Furuli New Book
by dozy infor those who haven't come across furuli before , he is a 77 year old norwegian professor and is ( or was ) one of the few "scholarly" jws used by the society and used as a source on various matters ( especially 607 bce ).. however recently he has fallen out with the gb and has published an interesting book - like many recent scholarly apologists , he seems to be going down the road of disagreeing with the authority of the gb but still holding that the jws is the one true religion.
kind of "lions led by donkeys".
whether this view will continue is anyones guess.
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I see the old boy is still pushing the untenable position that there are, "...no legitimate uses of blood" despite the fact that it's incompatible with JW policy, which distinguishes various uses of blood based on whether it has, "..left the body" or not. -
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Why Don't Conservatives Take the Lead in Technology?
by RubaDub inwhy is there constant criticism about "liberals" driving new technology?
web sites, social platforms, etc.
if the us is relatively evenly divided, why do all "new" things seem to come from the liberal side?
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Yes really,
Thanks to Joseph McCarthy this has been an area of inquiry in the U.S. since the early 1940's, with numerous books on the subject from both political points of view.
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Aunt Jemima and Mrs.Buttersworth Need To Be Destroyed!
by minimus inwe have to get rid of these racist relics.
i propose that we destroy all these bottles of syrups and burn every pancake box !
we need to get rid of anything that reminds us of anything negative concerning slavery.. in boston they decapitated the head of christopher columbus and got rid of his statue.
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TD
Hmm, I kinda like that pic, lol
Hmmm. So you like Schweitzer's work?
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Aunt Jemima and Mrs.Buttersworth Need To Be Destroyed!
by minimus inwe have to get rid of these racist relics.
i propose that we destroy all these bottles of syrups and burn every pancake box !
we need to get rid of anything that reminds us of anything negative concerning slavery.. in boston they decapitated the head of christopher columbus and got rid of his statue.
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Min
I was thinking... for all these people who want to remove every past mistake or simple history, right or wrong, it’s no different than what the Watchtower has done by simply removing past comments in their literature or removing the literature itself so that evidence never existed to support their wrongness.
I would guess there is a difference between people who want the past erased and people who are uncomfortable with things that hearken back to it.
For example:
"The one to blame for the war"
If they were to take this character in a more respectable, less caricatured form and use him as an emblem/mascot for an investment house or financial advisor today, I'd probably be a little uncomfortable too.
I understand this makes no logical sense, but then human emotions and gut reactions aren't logical.
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Aunt Jemima and Mrs.Buttersworth Need To Be Destroyed!
by minimus inwe have to get rid of these racist relics.
i propose that we destroy all these bottles of syrups and burn every pancake box !
we need to get rid of anything that reminds us of anything negative concerning slavery.. in boston they decapitated the head of christopher columbus and got rid of his statue.
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TD
Not so sure. She was consistently pictured as a maid/cook in a white household:
Sometimes it came across as a Southern plantation:
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Aunt Jemima and Mrs.Buttersworth Need To Be Destroyed!
by minimus inwe have to get rid of these racist relics.
i propose that we destroy all these bottles of syrups and burn every pancake box !
we need to get rid of anything that reminds us of anything negative concerning slavery.. in boston they decapitated the head of christopher columbus and got rid of his statue.
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TD
--Not sure why the pictures disappeared above
Here's an example of the broken English of earlier Aunt Jemima's:
And here's an example of the racial caricaturing of even earlier ones:
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Why Don't Conservatives Take the Lead in Technology?
by RubaDub inwhy is there constant criticism about "liberals" driving new technology?
web sites, social platforms, etc.
if the us is relatively evenly divided, why do all "new" things seem to come from the liberal side?
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TD
Einstein is mostly known for his theory of relativity. He was also a pacifist, peace activist and socialist.
Academicians of all types tend to be liberal. Perhaps because the environment they live in insulates them from the day to day reality and things expected of the average working man.
To plagiarize a line from a movie: "In the private sector, they want results."
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Aunt Jemima and Mrs.Buttersworth Need To Be Destroyed!
by minimus inwe have to get rid of these racist relics.
i propose that we destroy all these bottles of syrups and burn every pancake box !
we need to get rid of anything that reminds us of anything negative concerning slavery.. in boston they decapitated the head of christopher columbus and got rid of his statue.
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TD
There's nothing even remotely offensive about Aunt Jemima in her current form. Racism by its very nature is derogatory and there's nothing racist about a compliment to your cooking.
The problem, I think, is the history of the brand. You don't have to go back very far to arrive at this:
Happy days is here! ---Not too bright, but boy can she cook....
Or even farther to find crude caricatures of people of color:
Again, we're dealing with human emotions and perceptions here that don't necessarily make any logical sense.
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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist
by Giles Gray ini would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.
i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.
i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.
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If the society are to extend the overlapping time forward to include Tony Morris (who didn’t personally witness 1914 but lived during Franz’s lifetime), why does the chart in the video not extend backwards in time to included those who died before 1914 but who lived within Franz’s lifetime?
Because the generation teaching it its current is an ad hoc explanation. --A definition of convenience specifically formulated to fix the predicament the JW's find themselves in today.
It makes no logical sense outside of that context and isn't meant to.
