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  Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week

  by Sea Breeze in

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  well known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..

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  SBF

  And in addition to that, you still have all the arguments for why the GB were not spiritually superior to the rest of the anointed. --They were simply fellow slaves taking the lead in the preaching work because somebody had to.

  You still have all the comparisons to unsavory characters in the Bible for anyone who would presume to grab that kind of authority. You still have comparisons to the Catholic Church and the Pope as living proof of where that kind of haughty attitude leads.

  All this and more is still in JW literature for anyone to read.

  I've suspected for a long time that the current crop of leaders do not have the grounding that even an unwashed heathen like myself has by virtue of marriage to a JW,
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  Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  well known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..

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  Perhaps the GB brought this on themselves with the recent tinkering with the “faithful slave” doctrine and narrowing it down to only the GB members

  Well you gotta admit... That was apostasy by their own definition of it
  
  
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  Watchtower Greek where the mumbo meets the jumbo

  by Terry in

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  take a look at this photo of a now long extinct publication!ain't she a beauty?.

  around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek.

  gosh - just look at the gorgeous purple book up there!

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  I think you're being a little hard on yourself, Terry.

  First, the pronunciation of most scholars will make native Greek speakers laugh, (Which is why some end up learning Modern Greek too) but then, ancient Greek and Latin are not learned as spoken languages.

  Second, Ancient Greek and Modern Greek are not the same thing. -No more so than Old English and Modern English are the same thing.

  Here for example is the Lord's Prayer in Old English:

  Fæder ure

  ðu ðe eart on heofenum

  si ðin nama gehalgod

  to-becume ðin rice

  geweorþe ðin willa on eorðan swa swa on heofenum.

  Urne ge dæghwamlican hlaf syle us to-deag

  and forgyf us ure gyltas

  swa swa we forgifaþ urum gyltendum

  ane ne gelæde ðu us on costnunge

  ac alys us of yfle.

  The Greek of the Bible is even older than this.

  Since that time, the sentence structure has changed, some of the inflection has been lost, spellings have changed, an indefinite article eventually evolved and many new words have been coined.

  If you had kept at it to the point where you could read the classics and enjoy them, you would would have been ahead of Nico and Basil, who would have struggled.
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  Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

  by Beth Sarim in

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  i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

  omg!!!

  just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

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  Anna Marina,

  Events in the Bible do not tie directly into our calendar. We have to turn to archaeology, astonomy and other calendaring systems for that.
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  Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

  by Beth Sarim in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

  omg!!!

  just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

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  Anna Marina,

  The uncertainty lies in the various calendaring systems and their tie-in to our own.

  Even though the Babylonians and the Jews both numbered their months from Nisan, the Babylonian New Year began in Nisan while the Jewish New Year began in Tishri.

  Since the Bible is not clear which calendar is the frame of reference for the events it describes, the April to October difference between the two introduces an element of uncertainty.

  All of this has gone pretty far afield from the semantic logic of your video, which I agree with.

  In the same vein, Jesus admonition to, "lift your heads up" when these events start to occur is rendered nonsensical by the idea that they started to occur 105+ years ago in 1914
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  Rolf Furuli Disfellowshipped Last Week

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  well known norway elder and watchtower doctrine apologist, (rolf furuli) was disfellowshipped a few days ago for the crime of expressing opinions contrary to some watchtower dictates.. like wt leadership in the past, they have no problem eating their own..

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  Poor guy.. -He deserved better.
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  Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

  by Beth Sarim in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

  omg!!!

  just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

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  No that is your problem for you do not exactly or precisely what year Jerusalem whether it was 586 or 587 BCE whereas WT has identified the exact year as 607 BCE and that is the very stark difference.

  I'm confused (Not for the first time...)

  How are Jehovah's Witnesses immune from the uncertainty inherent in the Bible itself, over the counting system in use vis-à-vis the reigns of kings?

  Do not Jehovah's Witnesses themselves date Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the metal image to 606/605 BCE?
  
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  Are You Starting To Feel Bad About Being A Racist??

  by minimus in

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  you probably didn’t even realize you were a racist until you were enlightened by the “woke” group.

  so do you feel the need to make amends and do the right thing??

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  If even people like Anja Lovén are somehow racist, (White Savior Complex) one wonders what the right thing is....
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  Awesome Video on debunking 1914!!!!! Follow it carefully to the end!!

  by Beth Sarim in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i don't know if anyone has stumbled across this video, but it just blew may away.

  omg!!!

  just goes to show why in dubland they adhere to the 2 witness rule so adamantly and are so anal about it.

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  I admire your tenaciousness scholar, but fear that your religion will eventually pull the rug out from under you on this.

  I don't have an iron in this fire and don't care when Jerusalem fell.

  I'm just speaking as a long time observer of your religion. This is what they've done to every other scholarly minded apologist.

  Who would have thought they would have reduced the majority of study books over the last 50 years to nearly the status of fiction?
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  Rolf Furuli New Book

  by dozy in

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  for those who haven't come across furuli before , he is a 77 year old norwegian professor and is ( or was ) one of the few "scholarly" jws used by the society and used as a source on various matters ( especially 607 bce ).. however recently he has fallen out with the gb and has published an interesting book - like many recent scholarly apologists , he seems to be going down the road of disagreeing with the authority of the gb but still holding that the jws is the one true religion.

  kind of "lions led by donkeys".

  whether this view will continue is anyones guess.

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  Ya know him, ya love 'em.

  Same guy who talked down to doctors with less than a middle-school understanding of the subject himself.