The "we" includes myself to the extent that I participated. I can assure you for example that the 3d barcode on my driver's license was scanned before my ballot was printed and I can also assure you that the photo on the license was compared to my ugly mug before my ballot was accepted.
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TD — where is “here” that you speak of?
Phoenix, AZ. As a border state, we adopted these measures to prevent people who are here illegally from voting.
Which raises the question: Is there anything (Besides winning) that would satisfy the current administration?
If he (Trump) is going to cry fraud even here in AZ, is this really a question of election integrity or is the goal here to undermine the whole process?
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DOC,
Do you think the procedure you describe would satisfy anybody? Because it's not very far off from what we did here.
We had paper ballots only. Your ballot was personalized to you and you alone If you dropped off your ballot or voted in person, you had to present photo ID. If you mailed in your ballot there wasn't a living, breathing person to check your photo ID, but your ballot was still tied to it, and your signature was checked by a human being.
We had three integrity checks of this system that all came back 100%. And we still have a certain person crying fraud...
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millie210
I was going to point out that your fourth "Reality" statement was actually an editorial by you but nevermind that.
Testimony presented outside of a formal courtroom or deposition is by definition, hearsay and much of it was indeed ignorant given the stricter election laws we have here in comparison to most of the rest of the country. In addition to tying the ballot to a state issued ID when it is issued, we also do a rigorous hand check of the mail-in signatures during tabulation. Guilliani & Co are either unaware of this or are pretending to be. Presenting any of what happened at the Hyatt as a formal hearing (Of the state legislature, no less...) would indeed be embarrassing for any news agency. I'll admit that saying, "even for Fox" was a little snarky and perhaps unfair, as Fox has actually been doing better lately.
I'm not fan of Biden as I've already pointed out and I'm sure we'll have plenty of time to dissect him too. That's not the topic of this thread though. This thread is about the election and more specifically what is starting to appear as an attempt to subvert it..
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It's hard for even the most....challenged....Republicans to balance simultaneously in their minds...
What I don't understand is how anybody is even remotely okay with the dishonesty of this man. I understand why someone would not like Biden, but how can anybody condone a pathological liar?
From @realDonaldTrump on Twitter yesterday:
"Why is he (Governor Ducey (R) of Arizona) rushing to put a Democrat in office, especially when so many horrible things concerning voter fraud are being revealed at the hearing going on right now."
Reality:
Governor Ducey was obeying state law and the 30th is actually a little late as states go. There also was no "hearing" in any official sense of the word. Trump attorneys and supporters met in a hotel conference room and alleged massive voter fraud via mail-in ballots. As I've pointed out already, we don't mail out absentee ballots willy-nilly here. You have to ask for one and it is tied to a state issued ID, which is a more stringent standard than the signature comparison.
@realDonalTrump retweets "TRUE!" @Christina Bobb: "Gov Ducey has betrayed the people of Arizona."
Realty:
Governor Ducey was doing his job in accordance with state law.
@realDonaldTrump retweets RSBN "Watch live: Arizona State Legislature Hearing on Election Fraud"
Reality:
This is a bald-faced lie. This was not a hearing of the legislature.
@realDonaldTrump tweets "Wow, total election corruption in Arizona. Why isn't @FoxNews covering the Arizona hearings"
Reality:
Because Rudy Giuliani & Co., Arizona's Kelli Ward and a few others meeting at a hotel does not constitute an official hearing and a barrage of ignorant hearsay would be embarrassing, even for Fox.
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Do you think “Eventually” the Whole World will become Socialist?
by pistolpete inwhen i say; “socialist” i don’t mean everyone is equal.
instead i am referring to “leaders” being rich and powerful, whereas the ordinary citizen being poor, and powerless.. i was surprise that the majority of the world is run by socialist government.
the last few countries that are not socialist are the united states and parts of europe.
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LUHE,
The exact point of balance between state and federal responsibility is a complex subject and I'm not an expert. States do have a certain autonomy though.
California has been nicknamed the giveaway state because of its generous social programs while states like mine rely more on religious and charitable groups. I don't think this works with healthcare though, which needs to be portable.
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Do you think “Eventually” the Whole World will become Socialist?
by pistolpete inwhen i say; “socialist” i don’t mean everyone is equal.
instead i am referring to “leaders” being rich and powerful, whereas the ordinary citizen being poor, and powerless.. i was surprise that the majority of the world is run by socialist government.
the last few countries that are not socialist are the united states and parts of europe.
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LUHE,
Certainly.
On a practical note though, I'm not the only one who found negotiating a half dozen toll roads to be an annoyance on a family trip.
It's also a little touch of irony that this sort of thing is extremely unpopular in the conservative western U.S. and the majority agree with me.
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Do you think “Eventually” the Whole World will become Socialist?
by pistolpete inwhen i say; “socialist” i don’t mean everyone is equal.
instead i am referring to “leaders” being rich and powerful, whereas the ordinary citizen being poor, and powerless.. i was surprise that the majority of the world is run by socialist government.
the last few countries that are not socialist are the united states and parts of europe.
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I think it's a matter of how much socialism we're willing to tolerate, as it's tough to find a society that does not have at least a little.
Toll roads were big on the eastern seaboard when I was younger. (Maybe they still are, I don't know) The more you used them, the more you paid, which was perfectly fair.
But I much prefer the cost of building and maintenance of highway and roadway systems to be taken out of my taxes. I don't care that this is a form of socialism. I don't care that people who pay no taxes and people who don't even live in this country get to use them the same as me.
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If the Supreme Court puts a thumbs down it’s over.
We haven't had a case that SCOTUS would be willing to hear yet. And I'm not saying any of this because I like Biden. I don't.
I've disliked gun-grabbing Mr. Plagiarism since at least the mid 80's.
I'm saying this because there is a huge, huge gap between the things that are being said on social media and the actual cases that are going to court.
The cases that are making their way into court are laughable
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Patricia McCullough is pretty far outside of the bounds of her authority as a Commonwealth Court Judge and her ruling really needs to be confirmed or disconfirmed (As the case may be) by the state Supreme Court.
There is a perception here and elsewhere that this a, "No harm no foul" situation vis-à-vis the election.
It's not.
If we don't get some solid evidence for this flood of lawsuits, heads will roll and people will go to jail