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  a pet peeve of mine

  by enoughisenough in

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  putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.

  it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.

  there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.

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  TD

  I would guess that context is probably important. (As with all things)
  

  There's a helluva difference between an educated person being a snot about it versus a JW pontificating to a degreed professional in their own field.

  I've seen both.
  
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  Need help - the Revelation Climax book

  by ozziepost in

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  is it an original from the graphics department?.

  anyone know?.

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  It's no more stock photography then the pictures of Sharbat Gula (National Geographic 1985), Madonna (Rolling Stone 1987), Bob Dylan (Prisma 2011), Marilyn Monroe (Playboy 1953) and Dwight Eisenhower (Life 1948) were.
  

  --Magazines known for their iconic photography took their own photographs, which is what made them unique. And although it offended a lot of German women, there is no denying that the picture of Grace Jones, naked and in chains (Stern 1978) was iconic
  

  
  
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  Need help - the Revelation Climax book

  by ozziepost in

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  is it an original from the graphics department?.

  anyone know?.

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  Stern has crossed into the risque many times.

  In 1978, Gruner + Jahr was sued (unsuccessfully) to ban the sexualized covers from the magazine so I am hardly the only person to know of and remember them:

  
  
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  Need help - the Revelation Climax book

  by ozziepost in

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  is it an original from the graphics department?.

  anyone know?.

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  (Picture taken from Jeffro's post on page 3 of this thread)

  
  

  If I'm not mistaken, that was actress and Playboy model, Pascale Petit.

  There's no delicate way to ask the question, so I'm just going to blurt it out.

  What are JW's doing reading Stern?

  Ich bin nicht prüde, aber ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass Zeugen Jehovas diese Zeitschrift lesen:

  
  
  
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  Nisan 14 or not?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

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  if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

  doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

  https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

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  Fisherman,

  I've heard similar explanations of Numbers 33:3 on other forums, but they do not (IMO) come to grips with the language of the verse.
  

  Some translations, like YLT and KJV explicitly use the words "morning" or "morrow" and others, like the NWT emphasis the back-to-back linearity with phrases like, "Directly the day after the Passover" and "The very day after the Passover"

  You've suggested that the word "day" should be understood as a reference to the calandar date, as opposed to the normal, unglossed meaning of the word, yôm, but your reason seems to be more of a desire to harmonize JW teaching when what is needed here is a valid textual basis.
  
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  1975 on the back burner

  by Fisherman in

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  “1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.

  according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.

  it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.

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  Genesis 5:3 claims Adam was 130 when Seth was born
  
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  Nisan 14 or not?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

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  if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

  doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

  https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

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  Therefore, Numbers 33:3 does not refer to the following morning daylight after Passover

  I think you're off your stride here, my friend.

  First: That idea is contradicted by JW literature itself. The opening sentence from the Insight article you quoted above plainly states,

  "Passover (Heb., peʹsach; Gr., paʹskha) was instituted the evening preceding the Exodus from Egypt." (Emphasis mine)

  This is not the only such statement in JW literature either...
  

  Second: That we are talking about the daylight period of the 15th is necessary, given the context of a triumphal procession in full view of the Egyptians.

  Some translations explicitly use the words "morning" and "morrow" and others, like the NWT emphasis the back-to-back linearity with phrases like, "Directly the day after the Passover" and "The very day after the Passover"

  Third: Injecting an additional 24 to 36 hours into the story doesn't fit the symbolism. The Insight article goes on to comment:

  "The partakers ate in a standing position, their hips girded, staff in hand, sandals on so as to be ready for a long journey over rough ground."

  This observation is nonsensical when we have the Israelites milling around, doing who knows what, for the entire daylight period of the 14th and the entire nighttime period of the 15th.
  
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  Nisan 14 or not?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
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  if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

  doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

  https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

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  When JW's wake up the next morning after their Memorial, it is still the 14th of Nisan (By their reckoning)
  

  The 15th won't begin until the next evening, nearly 24 hours after JW's have celebrated their Memorial and the daylight period of the 15th mentioned at Numbers 33:3 won't begin until the morning after that, which is nearly 36 hours after the JW celebration.
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  Nisan 14 or not?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

  doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

  https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

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  TD

  I've read that quote a time or two and thought (perhaps mistakenly) that I did a reasonably accurate job of representing it above.
  

  It is directly contradicted by Numbers 33:3.
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  Nisan 14 or not?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

  doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

  https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

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  TD

  ...would someone explain to me why the Jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on Tuesday 4th April; when the Jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th April 2023?

  JW's share the fundy belief that Christ as the "Lamb" had to die on the exact same day as the Passover lamb. Everything therefore must be crammed into a 24 hour period

  On the 13th of Nisan, (By JW reckoning) JW's hurry home from work, get ready, and go to their Memorial. Although the preliminaries can begin before sundown, the actual passing of the emblems always occurs after sundown, when the 14th has technically just begun. The next day, when they wake up, it will still be the 14th and the 15th will not begin until the next sundown, nearly 24 hours after the JW celebration.
  

  Numbers 33:3 very plainly states that the next daylight period after Passover was the 15th, not the 14th, so the JW's are a full 24 hours early in their observance.