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  JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

  he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

  he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

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  I thought CT Russell was the brains behind the 607/1914 nonsense...Is that not correct?

  CT Russel had rejected Adventist chronology and date setting prior to meeting Nelson Barbour in 1876. (I am paraphrasing the July 15, 1906 issue of Zion's Watch Tower where Russell himself explained all of this at length.)

  Barbour taught that the Gentile Times were a 2520 year period running from 606BC to 1914AD; that an invisible presence of Christ had commenced in 1874 and that there would be a 40 year harvest culminating in 1914, which would see the start of the Millennium.

  Barbour had outlined this chronology in his own periodical, Herald of the Morning in 1875 and Russell was so intrigued by it, that he paid Barbour's expenses to meet with him and explain it further.

  Convinced of Barbour's reasoning, the two men jointly published Three Worlds And The Harvest Of This World, which explained the chronology in book form.
  
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  JW current stance on Vaccines?

  by lcarter017 in

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  it came to my attention that the covid-19 vaccine works by editing the genetic code of the mitochondrial dna, using gene therapy.. you should seriously question the moral implications of allowing a part of your dna to be modified.

  does anyone have any concerns about this?if anyone has any questions, i can do my best to explain.

  i personally find it very suspicious how they chose to word it, and conveniently inform us of this fact "after" people have taken the vaccine..

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  You mean they are even terming it a "spike" in the vaccine? That seems a bit too obvious doesn't it. In other words they've "spiked" the vaccine with an unknown protein, that could be anything.

  Please tell me this was meant as humor....
  
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  Lots of empty seats at Jehovah's Witnesses Convention in Tucson, Arizona

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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  https://youtu.be/5926nhzyz90.

  the jehovah's witness 2023 convention theme is, ''exercise patience''...by looking at the attendance at this tucson, arizona convention, it should be changed to, '' jehovah's witnesses...running out of patience''.

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  The venue seats 9275 in the fixed seats alone. With the arena floor filled with folding chairs, it would be +/- 10,000.

  I'm guessing JW's have gotten hooked on listening to the program from the comfort of their homes, maybe?
  
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  Anyone know what this sculpture is of the "torture stake?"

  by charity7 in

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  hey guys!

  i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.

  my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.

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  ....and hanging completely vertically actually served to kill a person faster than would happen on a cross.

  Yes. In just a few minutes.

  It doesn't take a lot of imagination to understand why an ancient culture might have considered that too humane.
  
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  Supreme Court Decision on Free Speech this week

  by dropoffyourkeylee in

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  this week's first amendment case has a slant that may sound familiar to jws.

  most are aware that the wt won a number of supreme court decisions in the '40s related to free speech (the first amendment of the us constitution).

  in particular, the flag salute case in '39, which they lost, tried to argue that not saluting the flag was a religious issue.

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  So, no blacks allowed is ok?

  I don't see how the services of a web designer would qualify as public accommodation in the sense that a restaurant, a hotel, a bar, or a public beach would.

  The case of Masterpiece Cakeshop was a little more difficult, inasmuch as a shop on a city street is definitely a public accommodation, but the services of custom decorator are not.
  
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  a pet peeve of mine

  by enoughisenough in

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  putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.

  it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.

  there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.

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  I would guess that context is probably important. (As with all things)
  

  There's a helluva difference between an educated person being a snot about it versus a JW pontificating to a degreed professional in their own field.

  I've seen both.
  
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  Need help - the Revelation Climax book

  by ozziepost in

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  is it an original from the graphics department?.

  anyone know?.

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  It's no more stock photography then the pictures of Sharbat Gula (National Geographic 1985), Madonna (Rolling Stone 1987), Bob Dylan (Prisma 2011), Marilyn Monroe (Playboy 1953) and Dwight Eisenhower (Life 1948) were.
  

  --Magazines known for their iconic photography took their own photographs, which is what made them unique. And although it offended a lot of German women, there is no denying that the picture of Grace Jones, naked and in chains (Stern 1978) was iconic
  

  
  
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  Need help - the Revelation Climax book

  by ozziepost in

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  is it an original from the graphics department?.

  anyone know?.

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  Stern has crossed into the risque many times.

  In 1978, Gruner + Jahr was sued (unsuccessfully) to ban the sexualized covers from the magazine so I am hardly the only person to know of and remember them:

  
  
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  Need help - the Revelation Climax book

  by ozziepost in

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  is it an original from the graphics department?.

  anyone know?.

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  (Picture taken from Jeffro's post on page 3 of this thread)

  
  

  If I'm not mistaken, that was actress and Playboy model, Pascale Petit.

  There's no delicate way to ask the question, so I'm just going to blurt it out.

  What are JW's doing reading Stern?

  Ich bin nicht prüde, aber ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass Zeugen Jehovas diese Zeitschrift lesen:

  
  
  
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  Nisan 14 or not?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

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  if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

  doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

  https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

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  Fisherman,

  I've heard similar explanations of Numbers 33:3 on other forums, but they do not (IMO) come to grips with the language of the verse.
  

  Some translations, like YLT and KJV explicitly use the words "morning" or "morrow" and others, like the NWT emphasis the back-to-back linearity with phrases like, "Directly the day after the Passover" and "The very day after the Passover"

  You've suggested that the word "day" should be understood as a reference to the calandar date, as opposed to the normal, unglossed meaning of the word, yôm, but your reason seems to be more of a desire to harmonize JW teaching when what is needed here is a valid textual basis.