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For Maximus: I'll ignore everyone else

by Rex B13 in

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maximus,.

you seem like a smart fellow but you have jw rationalism imbedded in your brain.

you asked for an explanation and here it is:.

teejay

Good evening, my dear waiting. You know, I meant to mention this a while ago, but you have almost too much class for this board. Almost.

You said,

Why do we have to kill them with "Christian kindness?" Quite a few of us are openly atheists, agnostics, etc.

Sorry. I must've had a jdub flashback! <g> I don't personally believe everything I was raised to believe about the man. It's just that when insults are being flung, it's a little counter-productive to respond in kind. You know that. I've never seen a post of yours where you got down and dirty.

Dubs don't really bother me. (Hell, my mom is a dub!!) I was one for so long, I understand exactly how they think, what they are likely to say and why they are likely to say it. I know where they want the discussion to go and how they are going to get there. I'm shaking my head as I write this... an easy argument to win, if that's what I want to do.

Their childish attempts at insult are just that... very juvenile. They cannot attack the arguments so they attack the person. (There must be a word for that.) I'd rather not sink to their level, but I know that not all agree with my methods, and that's cool, too. Achieving common courtesy? Having civility as a goal, regardless of our diverse spiritual perspectives? A worthy goal, I'd say. It's gotta start somehwere.

In the hopes of being civil to Rex, even though he said he would ignore me, I take back calling him a "dork".

"Dork"? <g> Like I said, you got too much class.

peace,
tj

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TO ALL THOSE IN HIGH PLACES

by silentlambs in

this morning i received this story in my email:.

i am now 36 years old i type that in caps because i feel 100, my body and mind have been broken over the years by the " brothers.

" my story starts at a very young age when my father an elder in the congregation raped me.

teejay

Powerful, Bill. Powerful. You a bad boy and I have nothing but respect for you. But the fellows in "high places" to whom you speak are not men of high honor. They have positions to protect. They love the adulation of the little ones in their respective halls. They like giving talks and getting slaps on the back. They are not like you.

Jesus spoke of men like these 2,000 years ago. They've been around a lot longer and will always be around. Abused children? "They'll be alright," is what they think. "Jehovah will act." Personally, I think they are worse than the pedos. Sick bastards. How can anyone call them "good"?

peace,
tj

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For Maximus: I'll ignore everyone else

by Rex B13 in

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maximus,.

you seem like a smart fellow but you have jw rationalism imbedded in your brain.

you asked for an explanation and here it is:.

teejay

Hippikon,

I understand your frustration with Rex, believe me. It's just that you have to take hard-core, JW loyalists with a grain of salt. They've ventured into our little snakes den of apostasy before--Stillintruth, Friday, etal. You have to pity them, really, and expect them to lob inflammatory insults since they don't have anything else to fight with--certainly not truth. Someday, if their hearts are right, they'll be alone in the middle of the night and all of the excuses they make for the errors and evil of the WTS will evaporate, forcing them to come to the only right conclusion. It will be a sad day, but a good day.

Until then, we have to kill them with kindness, showing them the only Christ-like personality they are likely to run across.

peace,
todd

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For Maximus: I'll ignore everyone else

by Rex B13 in

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maximus,.

you seem like a smart fellow but you have jw rationalism imbedded in your brain.

you asked for an explanation and here it is:.

teejay

Hippikon, you started off well when you said, "It would seem Mr Rex feeds on negative emotion." That is an opinion, and there was nothing wrong in stating it. From then on you made nothing more than assumptions. You assumed that "He gets a lot of pleasure..."; "has no interest in..."; what his purpose is. The problem with making assumptions is that others take those assumptions and turn them into facts. It's how rumors start, imo.

The only way you can accurately say these things is if you knew firsthand that they were true. Otherwise, you are being unkind, imo.

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Billygoat, I notice that you have been posting for less than a month. How long were you posting before then?

It is quite possible to be as kind and considerate and respectful of others opinions but still be treated like crap, a point you seem to acknowledge. As my sister would always say when I said that something "never" happened/s to me: "keep living." Disagree with a certain type of individual, even if you are respectful, and you'll see that it is very possible to be treated disrespectfully, and without cause. Respectfully disagree with a Watchtower article or something (anything) a GB member says, and you'll see. "But this isn't the WTS!" you say. Even though this isn't the WTS, the same behaviors and attitudes are on display, trust me. Keep living, keep posting, and you'll see.

Just a thought.

peace,
tj

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For Maximus: I'll ignore everyone else

by Rex B13 in

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maximus,.

you seem like a smart fellow but you have jw rationalism imbedded in your brain.

you asked for an explanation and here it is:.

teejay

Skeptic, among other things with which I agree, you said,

What's the fuss, people? You are all good people. Do you hate Rex that much?

Seems Rex has gotten under the skin of some, and the response to JWs here is sometimes... interesting. I'm with you. Conspicuously missing from the thread, however, is Max. I wonder why.

tj

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The dim people

by Norm in

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the dim people.

the new world society.

the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

teejay

Norm, you said

The existence of God requires faith, pure and simple.

For ME to believe, yes it would, since I have nothing else on which to believe. But there are people who have heard or seen... "things", and these tangible evidences are added to the faith they already have.

You believe that God exist and that's that.

The "you" above means, not "you, teejay" but "when one" ... "when a person", right? I'm presently very doubtful of god's existence having nothing to base it on other than faith, and I'm fresh out of faith at the moment.

If you knew that God existed you could produce observable, testable evidence for it and faith would no longer be neccessary. If God showed up and presented himself to us, no one would BELIEVE in him anymore. Right?

You've lost me. If god showed up I'd think that even more would believe in him rather than the other way around. Unless you mean something like instead of "believe" they would "know" but that's only a play with words, imo. If I didn't believe in the Great Wall of China and someone showed me a picture of it, I'd start to believe. Or know.

peace,
tj

ps. do you know anything about the science of logic?

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when i was a janitor

by teejay in

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back when i was a janitor, around 1983/84, in this one building, i'd see this guy working late almost every day, even on fridays when almost everyone else had started their weekend early.

one day, he was unusually upset at his boss.

to hear him tell it, his boss wasn't a very nice fellow... a person who took sadistic pleasure in belittling and demeaning those he could, whenever he could.

teejay

Back when I was a janitor, around 1983/84, in this one building, I'd see this guy working late almost every day, even on Fridays when almost everyone else had started their weekend early. One day, he was unusually upset at his boss. To hear him tell it, his boss wasn't a very nice fellow... a person who took sadistic pleasure in belittling and demeaning those he could, whenever he could. One of the boss' favorite games was going through mail stamped "private."

On this particular day, the "late-worker" was the boss' latest victim and the guy was livid. I was the only one around, so he unloaded on me. We talked. In the end, I asked him, "Why don't you just talk to the guy to let him know that he's about to be lynched by the people in his sector?"

Late-Worker stopped and thought for what seemed like a long time. I kept looking at him as his mind worked, wondering what his answer would be. Finally, he said, "No, Janitor Man, I won't talk to Boss because that might help him."

I thought of the implications of what he said. It was, and remains, one of the saddest moments of my life.

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A Chinese Meal with Fred Franz

by VM44 in

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near the beginning of the book, "the orwellian world of jehovah's.

witnesses," one of the authors gives a personal experience where.

he and others were treated by fred franz to a meal at a chinese.

teejay

This might explain one of the reasons I am bothered when I see the personal attacks made against individuals. I knew these people and saw their good sides too. It is easier to hate an unseen enemy.

Nice words, Kismet, if not great truths. I like the honesty and the giving of credit where it's due--sometimes too rarely seen here. Occasionally I am awarded with jewels of rare value that I find here on JW.com, but it takes a little effort finding them. It doesn?t hurt to be lucky, either.

Thanks, Kismet.

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Hello, Briand, and welcome to the board!! I believe this is the first of your posts that I've seen.

You said,

I truly thought this was "God's will" (tm) until I see me living in a trailer and other people who are in the "ministry" (tm) driving new cars and taking vacations all the time. But I made those choices no one ever forced me, and there is a pay off. The ministry I was and still am in is beautiful and the people are grand. I admit I get jealous and even envious at times. It is the condescending that gets to me the super spiritual folks looking down on other people and judging these other people's lives.

I never hated any of these folks, I do hate the destruction of lives alot of this stuff caused though.

I like YOUR honesty, as well. I may be MISreading between the lines, but you strike me as a person of integrity. That is a rare quality in today's world, my friend, regardless of the social category. That alone makes you very special.

Back when I was active, I really enjoyed the ministry, also, and pitied those that I saw who were more interested in the glory of position and collection of material things. I loved talking to people of all walks of life, sharing with them what I thought was the truth of God. I felt it was the best way to spend my days. Having X number of studies or placements never mattered much to me. I just enjoyed talking and learning from people. In certain ways, I haven't changed and I hope you don't either. You have a rare gift. You should keep it.

Later, in another post you said,

I will try to do better.

You're doing just fine, my friend. You have no need of shame.

peace to you and yours,
todd

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The dim people

by Norm in

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the dim people.

the new world society.

the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

teejay

Ustabee, i see you've met kent. <g>

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The dim people

by Norm in

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the dim people.

the new world society.

the chosen, brain dead, scared people.. the watchtower's obedient parrots.

teejay

Thanks, Norm, for taking a step in answering the questions I put to Jan. So far, you've answered one of them. I asked whether the science of logic concerned itself with what was possible but unknown. You said, "Logic doesn’t concern itself with the unknown, if it did it wouldn’t be logic." I can live with that.

Right after, you said, "This should be quite obvious, TeeJay." Correction. In making that statement, you weren't being logical considering how dense I can be sometimes as demonstrated on other threads. <g> Since people are different, what *I* might consider obvious isn't ALWAYS to someone else. I made an assumption, but since I'm asking questions for clarification, I didn’t want to take anything for granted.

"Your arguments is very similar to arguments used by Jehovah's Witnesses..."

Actually, Norm, I don't have any "arguments" in this topic (other than it's unwise to generalize about a whole group of people--even JWs), only questions. As I mentioned to Jan, I'm not familiar with the study of logic so what it means to be "logical" to a logician may not be the same as what is logical to a layman like me. Again, that's why I asked the questions. Hopefully Jan (or you?) will drop by and answer the other questions I have about "logic."

So far, you've clued me in that the study of logic deals with only hard facts and nothing else. There is a problem, though, of hoping to come to a complete answer to any problem relying solely on logic or any other single mode of examination. It can be compared to a trained biologist, unfamiliar with automobile mechanics, attempting to use her professional expertise as a biologist to figure out why her car won't start. She will soon reason that deciphering the problem in front of her will require a different set of mental tools other than biology. Many of the bigger problems of life must be solved by using more than one methodology. In other words, perhaps determining the existence of god requires more than just logic.

Just a thought.

peace,
todd