Posts by scratchme1010

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I have to get this off my chest...cult equals guilible

by Sour Grapes in

two weeks ago while visiting a friend in north carolina, i agreed to go with him to the sunday public talk.

the public talk was about how the witnesses have the direction of angels while going in service.

the speaker told some real doozies and you could hear the "oohs and ahhs" from the audience.

scratchme1010

I fully agree with you that all those stories are stupid. I also believe that many are made up. Do you notice that they are never told in first person? An in the decades I was a JW hearing all those stupid stories, never, not once I heard of anyone knowing any of the people involved. It always happens in some distant place away from where people listening to the story are.

Anyway, the one thing that I'd say, though, is that although I'm not an expert in the matter, I believe that gullible is not what I'd use to describe people who love hearing those stories or people who join the WT and other organizations that harm them. I think that any person at any level of intelligence can fall in the hands of the WT. Just my opinion. I can't tell by my own experience since I was born in.

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One of the best vid's I've ever seen for debunking and disproving Jehovah's Witnesses

by StoneWall in

as some of you know i'm not a religious person at all after leaving the jw's but there was a link on another site i was on and the link was to a pastor's vid.

(about exposing jw's as false prophets etc)being that i'm not at all interested in hearing a sermon, i was going to just leave the site and continue researching some other stuff but then curiosity made me wonder if he truly knew anything about jw's or was just going to be another religious leader downing jw's in an effort to make his version of the "gospel" sound more appealing.i have to admit i was pleasantly surprised at the extent of his knowledge of scripture that jw's like to use as well as the history behind the organization.

many of the points he brought out we've covered here before and he arranged them in an easy to understand and follow sequence.i'd be interested in hearing what some of you think on the job he did on exposing the jw's(wt)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3o56jwgbjk.

scratchme1010

Not sure why the second part of my post was edited out, so I'm posting it again. As I said, however, I see that something like that speaks to people who believe and rely on the bible believes. This may be useful for those looking for alternatives or questioning their faiths.

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New to this. But not the life.

by Irocz in

i just joined this sight today.

i'm hoping to find people here with similar experiences or have experience with similar situations or just any advise or feedback.. first.

my quick life story.. i was born into jw.

scratchme1010

Welcome. Thank you for sharing. In this forum you will find people in various degrees of attachment/detachment to/from the WT. It's always good to see where every person is.

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Why ex-JW's so knowledgeable when it comes to the Bible?

by James Mixon in

over the years here on this site i have found over half of the folks can hold their own with any minister.. why when we leave the borg we become proficient on any subject on the bible.. why did we go down that road?

my intention was to get close to jehovah (searching the bible), but i. guess i found lucifer.

i'am ask all the time, how did you go from a true believer to calling the bible a book.

scratchme1010

Over the years here on this site I have found over half of the folks can hold their own with any minister.
Why when we leave the borg we become proficient on any subject on the Bible.

Not sure if you have noticed, but as JWs we get the bible shove down our throats every day, so it doesn't make sense stating that we are "proficient" in the bible after leaving. All the JW bible crap that was taught to us doesn't just disappear. That's information that was given to us while we were JWs. So where do you get that we are "bible proficient" after we leave?

Why did we go down that road?

Seems like this may be your own spiritual path. The road I took and decisions I made, and the life I chose are mine and only mine. The same thing applies to every human being.

My intention was to get close to Jehovah (searching the bible), but I guess I found Lucifer. I'am ask all the time, how did you go from a true believer to calling the Bible a book of BS.....

What the hell happen????

I think that's for you to figure out. Also, are you asking because you're surprise of your progress or because you miss the person you were?

On another topic someone mention, JW's turn out more atheist than any other religion.Why?

There's absolutely no proof, no statistics, no numbers, no research and no studies that show that JWs become atheists at a larger proportion than any other religious faith. Someone mentioning that doesn't make it true.

I guess to become an atheist you must know the Bible.

And that's what they call making an educated decision.

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One of the best vid's I've ever seen for debunking and disproving Jehovah's Witnesses

by StoneWall in

as some of you know i'm not a religious person at all after leaving the jw's but there was a link on another site i was on and the link was to a pastor's vid.

(about exposing jw's as false prophets etc)being that i'm not at all interested in hearing a sermon, i was going to just leave the site and continue researching some other stuff but then curiosity made me wonder if he truly knew anything about jw's or was just going to be another religious leader downing jw's in an effort to make his version of the "gospel" sound more appealing.i have to admit i was pleasantly surprised at the extent of his knowledge of scripture that jw's like to use as well as the history behind the organization.

many of the points he brought out we've covered here before and he arranged them in an easy to understand and follow sequence.i'd be interested in hearing what some of you think on the job he did on exposing the jw's(wt)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3o56jwgbjk.

scratchme1010

I don't need to be crass to express my point, which is, personally I don't need any other person or institution (religious or otherwise) to tell me that the JWs are full of it. I can't care less about the bible, so knowing what it says and using it to disprove what another person or organization says is not something I find relevant.

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Do a person need a college education to be a good JW

by Santa in

yea i know it's not required or anything, but a lot of the people in the congregation are clearly in need of help that the elders can not give them and none of the other members seem to want to help.

so is it wrong for a person to want to get advanced social and medical training skills to help those in need?.

scratchme1010

...so should I get an education anyway?

Any institution, person, organization, group or anything or anyone who tells you that learning is not a good thing is not minding your best interest. What relationship there is between learning something and having skills enough to provide for your family (or more skills than the ones needed for that matter), and living forever in paradise on Earth? That made up BS from a controlling organization. Besides, at least in the USA, now every person should have skills to get any kind of job. Unskilled labor is pretty much gone. So yes, go learn something.

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Why disbelieving in God is foolish

by HopeEverLasting in

jw
friends

look, now before i speak, i want to say that it is very okay for someone to not believe.

are they hurting anyone?

killing anyone?

scratchme1010

...But there is a problem when you continually hate on someone for what they believe when what you believe is just as foolish as what you say their belief is. Do you really think continuing saying God isn't real, and you're dumb if you believe that is going to make me change my mind about God? Please. I'm sorry that you all like to attack others beliefs because they don't fit your own.

I love seeing these believers always playing victim. We non believers are not trying to shove our non-believes down other people's throats. You believers are. You are the ones believing in non-believers deserving to die or some kind of punishment. You are the ones always vomiting all kinds of condemnations on other who don't believe, or those who don't behave according to the morals you preach (and never follow anyway), and then you turn around and claim to be attacked when you get put in your place or called on your BS.

Nobody is attacking you, sweetie. Just mind your own effing business.

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Letter # 6 to the Governing Body of Jehovah's witnesses

by WITNESS-FOR-WATCHTOWER-REFORM in

the governing body.

service department of jehovah’s witnesses.

2821 route 22. patterson.

scratchme1010

This is the part about your letter that I find interesting:

Your many rules and policies continue to choke mine and others spirituality - and stumble many to the point of leaving the organisation.

You know that's not going to change at all, that is, if for some reason you keep trying to rely and trust in that organization, right?

Also, I wonder what would you do if they actually read your letter and make the changes that you (and seemingly only you) propose? Do you think that the Wt is going to become a better organization, that people who left will go back, or that those who are still in will stay?

Seriously, what is the point of all that you are doing with those letters?

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From house to house...from door 2 door....JW rapist goes

by Lee Elder in

waymon chandler ivery - a convicted 1st degree child sex offender caught red handed and lying about it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=popk1fq0sdkhttp://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/cox00245011020160419/waymon-chandler-ivery.html.

someone's knockin' at the door....somebody ringin' the bell.

do your kids a favor...don't let em in..

scratchme1010

Thank you for sharing this. Sadly, we can only know about the ones who get caught.

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Young JW's attitudes

by Phizzy in

i met an old friend last evening, a great guy, an xjw for longer than me.. during a conversation about our experiences since fading (neither of us are da'd or anything) we got to talking about the young jw's.. his wife is still in, and he has two lovely daughters who he is trying to teach the art of critical thinking so that they can make the right choice in the future.. what worries him though is that he is convinced almost all young jw's do not give a "proverbial" if it is the truth or not, they simply wish to remain in it because of the social aspects, loads of friends and activities that they feel safe partaking in etc etc.. so how do you convince these young people that they would have a better life if they left ?.

they see it as losing all their friends, and being alone and trying to build new relationships, which is mostly true.. how do we convince them to make the leap ?.

should they ?.

scratchme1010

I think it is a matter of them learning their own way. The best to do is to have them always aware that they have other choices than what they have in the congregation. As soon as one of them gets "in trouble" and they see the consequences, and as soon as they realize that there is a lot more to life than the JW activities, they can use the outside support and awareness that some of us didn't have.

But it has to come from them. The same than with adults.