Posts by scratchme1010

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the future for the borg

by pepperheart in

it look very possible that the borg could lose their charity status in both the uk and oz if this happens the jw will not have all the tax breaks for the buildings that they have now.and that the headquarters will have to start finding extra money.and as they have done so much cost cutting anyway these past years i think they will have to start selling kingdom halls off.

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scratchme1010

It look very possible that the borg could lose their charity status in both the uk and oz if this happens the jw will not have all the tax breaks for the buildings that they have now.And that the headquarters will have to start finding extra money.And as they have done so much cost cutting anyway these past years i think they will have to start selling kingdom halls off.

It doesn't look very possible, actually. IT IS HAPPENING. The WT has been in the real estate BUSINESS, for profit for some time now. Selling KHs is neither new nor something they haven't done.

The WT currently is in the business of real estate. Don't think so? Don't believe it? Here's the information:

Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
Brooklyn Real Estate Office
25 Columbia Heights
Brooklyn, New York 11201
(718) 560-5001 Phone
(718) 560-5002 Fax
[email protected]

They know very well that when it comes to their structure as a cult, having blind followers making big money for them, it is no longer as profitable as it was. So they got into the real estate business.

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God's word-the publications?

by notalone in

jw
friends

okay, so i have a friend that still interacts with my family.

she is going through some difficult times, so i suggested she just read some of psalms.

she became a little agitated and said she would just listen to the mags.

scratchme1010

How about your friend goes to some actually functional group that actually provides support for her problems instead of the magic cure of the bible and related nonsense. Makes more sense to me that if she decides that some piece of information causes more harm than good, then seek alternatives. What is the obsession of using the bible as a cure for all problems!

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When the CO comes a knocking.

by Thisismein1972 in

i was going to reply to another thread, but thought this might deserve a separate topic.. my observations when i was a still in.. the announcement that jesus christ (the co) is visiting our local kh.. would anyone like to "volunteer" their time, money and accommodation for jesus christ.. all ass lickers of said kh come forward to receive jesus christ.

a concerted effort for all to be out in the ministry that week, along with panicking elders visiting homes of those who have not been at the meetings for at least a week, offering "encouragement" so that the number of attendance is up for the week visit.. the self righteous in the kh who would never speak to you (pioneers included) and look down their noses at you all of a sudden start to speak to you.. during the visit, the elders are on their best behavior, thanking everyone who answers up.

the pioneers are martyring themselves by making cakes and practically washing the feet of the jesus christ.. the attendance does rise, with studies being brought along, to show jesus christ what a good little jw they are.. most indoctrinated jw's practically shoot each other to have a turn on the ministry with jesus christ!.

scratchme1010

In the 23 years I was a JW, there was only one CO who I felt was somewhat of a role model to me. The rest were all narcissistic personality disorder cases. Worse, their wives were even more narcissistic.

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Why Finding the One True Religion is Impossible

by Simon in

jws like to think they have found the one true religion.

but like so many other religious people, it's usually the religion they were born into, the only religion they know because it's the first one they found or, at the most, one of two or three (typically the second one after they left their first / born-in faith).. the trouble is, there simply isn't enough time to explore and investigate each and everyone of the many thousands of belief systems, religions and sects around the world.. think of it this way: which is the best neighbourhood to live in where you would be most happy and most successful?

not just in the city or even the country you are in, but the entire world.. how would you ever know?

scratchme1010

And yet some would have us believe that "God" expects us to find the right one and will kill anyone who doesn't. What a twat.

Great thoughts. Love this ending of your post. That alone should make people who believe that religion is the way, or the one and only way of leaving reflect a little more and probably expand their choices.

Thanks for posting.

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Learning Other Languages

by Disassociated Lady 2 in

the jw org keeps its servants busier than ever these days so that their minds are occupied 24/7.

they ensure that there is no time for anything "worldly" to distract them.. in last week's watchtower article on spiritual health they are putting pressure on the congregation to learn other languages on top of everything else they do.

they allude to the fact that their spiritual health will suffer if they cannot understand the talks and publications in other languages.

scratchme1010

The JW org keeps its servants busier than ever these days so that their minds are occupied 24/7. They ensure that there is no time for anything "worldly" to distract them.

I'm not sure what you base this on. Growing up a JW in the 70s, I remember back then they used to call them "temporary" pioneers. The commitment was 100 in one month, and it was all house to house, no online, no carts, no websites, no tablets, no apps. It was 100 hours of hardcore house-to-house preaching. Additionally, they used to control more things that today they allow. Today JWs can get away with going to college. Today JWs are allowed other events such as putting choreographies together and participate in other events.

Not to mention than the isolation of people questioning, disfellowshipped or disassociated was far larger than it is today, as we enjoy things like this forum, for example.

It may feel that they are pressuring more, but the reality is that they enjoy a lot more freedoms than previous JW generations.

The core of what they do is all about telling people what to do with every single aspect of their lives. I agree that learning a different language for the sole purpose of pleasing their purposes is controlling, but that has always been the case. It's no different today than it has always been.

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Despite their false predictions aren't the JWs right? Won't the world eventually end & Paradise come?

by deegee in

aren't there christian denominations who do not make false end of the world predictions but who nevertheless believe that the world will eventually end and paradise (whether in heaven or on earth) will come?.

it seems the watchtower was just jumping the gun when they made false end of the world predictions but they are nevertheless the right: the world will eventually end and paradise will come..

scratchme1010

Despite their false predictions aren't the JWs right?

No.

Won't the world eventually end & Paradise come?

No.

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Elders and CO visit to your home ... Let's Be More CREATIVE !!!

by RubaDub in

come on people, there can be a lot more interesting ways of handling the elder and co visits to your home than stated in some other threads.

i will give some here but want your input.. for example:.

-- if the elders/co want to visit, graciously offer them to come on your family worship night.

scratchme1010

Love it. When they visited me to talk about my homosexual tendencies (their words; I don't tend to be homosexual, I ma homosexual), I put up such a show, pretending to be crying and in a crisis. Then I suddenly stopped, smiled and said, "nice try".

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devil question

by Carol1111 in

i had a discussion with 4 jws today and they told me that jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that satan tempted jesus in the wilderness.. can anyone clarify their beliefs please.

i like to give them a reasoned argument when i talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before..

scratchme1010

I had a discussion with 4 JWs today and they told me that Jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness.
Can anyone clarify their beliefs please. I like to give them a reasoned argument when I talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before.

My believes are that the existence of such "Satan" is worse than the idea of the existence of a God as per atheists. The concept of such being (a) is too convenient, a contrived way of explaining and blaming everything that goes wrong, doesn't make sense or is untrue. The concept of Satan is just a cop out. (b) makes less sense than the concept of Adam/Eve as per the Bible itself.

First, is that being is supposed to be the way the Bible describes it, Satan is 1,000 morally better than the paranoid, childish, bipolar schizophrenic Jehovah of the Bible. When you look at the behavior of both, seems like Satan even has better manners than Jehovah.

Second, calling "absolute justice" to letting people be/live and suffer for millennia the way they have simply for Jehovah make a point that he's being fair about that Satan thing doesn't look like justice at all from any angle you look at.

As for Jesus being "tempted" in the wilderness, that just reminds me of gay men in central park. That's how relevant that is.

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Kingdumb songs, will they someday make the top 25 Religious Hymns???

by James Mixon in

amazing grace have been around since 1779, how great thou art 1885,holy holy holy 1826, be thou my vision (ireland) 6th century, all creatures of god and king (italy)1225. so you think one day we will hear a kingdumb song playing over the radio.

you would think surely jehovah want the world to be familiar with his hymns.... maybe they have instructed the rf to only sing their songs in the kh, only for special folks..

scratchme1010

Kingdumb songs, will they someday make the top 25 Religious Hymns???

No.

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I want the Jehovah that celebrates Christmas

by Anony Mous in

't is the season and my oldest is now 5 (and in school), it's also how long i've been 'out'.

i just wanted to share this story about my daughter.

you can find some of my history on these forums as well.. in the mean time, i've started a new family, i have shared custody (half the weekdays and every other weekend) with my oldest and my youngest is 2 and we are celebrating christmas.

scratchme1010

After service, we are driving, we ask "did you learn anything today". She says "I learned about Jehovah and Jesus" <silence>. "Oh really, I didn't think they would call it Jehovah". She goes "No, that's with mommy, I learned about Christmas trolls" and she goes on and recites an entire story about trolls.

That alone makes the entire thing worth it. Thank you for sharing.