Posts by scratchme1010

I am not nor have ever been DF'd DA'd. I have never said or implied anything "Apostate" to anyone other than this forum. YET....This is the fruitage of Watchtower. Just thought you might find it mildly revealing.

I'm so sorry about the entire thing. You don't deserve such mistreatment, never did. It's difficult to be ostracized by your own family in such manner.

I lost my JW mom in 2016 and the events around it with the JWs and the messed up family I have were horrible to deal with.

I hope you're holding up well, and I hope you have a way to bring some peace to yourself and our family. None of it is your fault.

Interesting to see that she was completely involved with the WT nonsense, yet that organization couldn't care less about her well being.

Take care of yourself.

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Question.

by phats in

hi, is there a scripture saying it's okay to beat your wife with a stick no thicker than a mans thumb or is this a myth?

i remember something & have done some serching but need help.

phats.

scratchme1010

Hi, Is there a scripture saying it's okay to beat your wife with a stick no thicker than a mans thumb or is this a myth?
I remember something & have done some serching but need help.
Phats.

The National Domestic Violence Hotline
1−800−799−7233
http://www.thehotline.org/

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No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution

by opusdei1972 in

as far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.

well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.

so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.

scratchme1010

What an interesting thread. Didn't know much about the WT current stance on the matter. So they are just brushing off the subject? That's kind of pathetic.

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Did Jesus really say: “If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also”? (Mathew 5:39)

by anointed1 in

if we apply to the above verse jesus’ own criterion (“every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit”—mathew 7:17) we will know that it is unlikely that jesus did say it.. when i practiced it, i found that i was encouraging others to slap (whether in its literal or figurative sense) me more and more.

the same is happening in large scale when countries practice tolerance.

we know many countries who “turn the other cheek” when attacked, and it only invites more trouble (which means jesus’ advice is counterproductive).. but see what happens if you return more than what you receive in view of the principle god himself follows.

scratchme1010

Did Jesus really say: “If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also”? (Mathew 5:39)

Who knows, who cares.

What I say is "if anyone slaps me on the right cheek, (s)he will have a reminder of my second amendment right".

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Real Estate Business?

by no-zombie in

i was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, i got no idea why people are saying that the society is some kind of real estate business.

of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event.

its down sizing by selling the furniture.

scratchme1010

...Of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event...

You're kidding, right? You really believe that they are going to stop milking that cow?

OUTLAW, you stole my line, but I'm glad. Time and time again I have been posting the same information. I have to say, cognitive dissonance is a --tch!

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Old article worth a read

by carla in

here is a link to an older article about jw's & mind control.

it appears to be from the time period when jw's were about 5 million and still had that extra meeting during the week.

i have no idea about the website in general, only found the article doing some research.

scratchme1010

I have a link from an organization that does research and provides support on mind control and high demand groups:

Here

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Questions Surround Jehovah's Witness HQ and Allegations of Sex Abuse - REPORT FROM WNYC

by NikL in

apologies if this has been posted before.... http://www.wnyc.org/story/watchtower-jehovahs-witness-headquarters-brooklyn/.

scratchme1010

Thanks for sharing.

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If the WT is a "money making machine"...who gets the money?

by NikL in

jw
friends

i've seen claims over the years that wt is in the real estate, book publishing business and is a for profit enterprise at it's core.. can those of you that believe this to be the case tell me who benefits from all this wealth?.

the governing body lives in relatively humble conditions no?.

i've been curious about this for a while.

scratchme1010

I've seen claims over the years that WT is in the real estate, book publishing business and is a for profit enterprise at it's core.

My claim is fairly close to what you state, only I claim that they have always been a for profit enterprise. The changes they made are just changes in their obsolete business model and their processes to keep up with the times and focus on areas that continue to make them wealthy.

Can those of you that believe this to be the case tell me who benefits from all this wealth?

The boards, the GB, the president, the people who are in power, sign the legal documents, and officially represent the WT. Most importantly, the WT itself as a corporation. Please understand that in the capitalist system we live in, corporations as entities have power too. The WT itself is a perfect entity with money and power to be influential.

The governing body lives in relatively humble conditions no?

That's very difficult to say. There is their image that they have for the JWs, there are their lives and earnings in tax records, and then there's reality. They may or may not be living in humble conditions. Furthermore, they do not need to live extravagantly to enjoy their wealth. There's a perception that wealthy people are supposed to have a lot and show that they are wealthy in a way that some think is should be evident. That's far from truth.

I've been curious about this for a while. I believe that, yes the business does make lots of money, but profit is not the real goal as that would imply some "one" or "ones" would personally gain materially.

Yes and no (IMO). Yes because I believe that profit is only one of the goals, though I do believe that profit is a real goal. No, because it's not so far fetch to think that "one" or "ones" would personally gain materially. Why would that be so impossible? Again, people managing the corporation assets have access to all their money, and they can pretty much do whatever they feel like doing with it without having a cent under their names. They write the checks, they sign the contracts. They meet with the auditors (that is, if they actually get audited).

It is a mistake to think that the leadership of a cult is going to be transparent in all their actions. Some of the reasons why cults and controlling groups like the WT exist are not necessarily based on making one person or people rich. There's a lot more to it. I think it has to be seen from the perspective of what the typical gains are for cult leaders. Typically, these are the tings that they want:

Money
Power over other people
Power over a community (being political or any other type of influential position)
Feeding their egos
Sex
Fun over how far they can go with their charades (feeding their narcissism)

I wonder if you could elaborate more on your thoughts. What I mean is, I get the impression that it seems far fetch to you, that some people in the GB or their higher ups may be wealthy. What are your thoughts? Also, what would be an alternative reason, in your opinion? I ask in light that what they are doing looks pretty much like what all other companies in the world impacted by the changes in society are doing, that is, changing their focus, maximizing profit, downsizing labor and maintenance, and optimizing their space.