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  What will happen if someone partake the wine and bread at memorial? Should we all do that?

  by UBM101 in

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  Should we all do that?
  

  If you ask me, no. I'm not fond of the WT and many, many JWs, but I see no point in disrespecting them that way. Also, my personal stance is that it's not my job to show them or teach them anything.
  
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  22,000 years of arctic ice cores melt, and wash the YHWH/JESUS concept down the sewer

  by fulltimestudent in

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  the full story, as told in the uk guardian can be found at: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/16/arctic-ice-cores-melt-university-alberta-canada.

  and briefly it tells of an equipment failure at a storage facility for ice cores that had been extracted from the polar ice cap in various locations.. but note, that the layers of ice evident in the cores covered a period of 22,000 years.

  and from the christian/jw perspective, that's impossible, for the bible story of the flood (verified by jesus and sundry other biblical writers) maintains that 4000+ years ago, the ice caps would have melted during the period when the earth was covered by the divinely caused deluge.

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  Yet jws and many other others including muslims, jews, and sundry christians believe that their fanciful religious fantasy is true in the face of factual evidence to the contrary
  

  There are plenty of indicators of those ages existing. Something I find interesting is that the Bible itself doesn't establish any timelines in terms of the stages in which things on Earth came to be. It is based on interpretations of writings that are considered sacred.

  As per Jesus of Nazareth, he did exist. That he is what the Bible and religion claims he is, that's a different story.
  
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  Even if it's not the truth, it's still the best way to live

  by Simon in

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  how many times did you hear that gem?

  it often went along with "the truth is a protection" which is their way of saying "living a moral life is good for you ... and you can't do that without us".. but think about what people are really saying.

  i think the real message is "i know it's not the truth, but i chose to follow it anyway".. it seems like a pre-emptive argument because they know they can't defend it as "the truth" so instead they switch to defending it as a lifestyle.. of course any kind of lifestyle that has a decent moral ingredient to it, respect for law and order, discipline etc... probably increases people's chances of doing better in life, but they don't have a monopoly on it.. so just remember, next time you hear someone saying "even if it's not the truth" what they are really admitting is that they already know it isn't..

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  The resoning is the same logica:

  "Hitler was not that good but he protected Europe prevented it for taking over by communist."

  G.

  

  "I know it's not the truth, but I chose to follow it anyway"
  

  
  
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  If you could see the future would you use it?

  by purrpurr in

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  if you had the ability to know what the future held would you use this ability?.

  jws say that jehovah can see the future but he just choses not to.

  which never made sense to me, as if he did use that ability then a lot of the stuff that went wrong could have been avoided.. it never made sense.

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  What do you think?
  

  Never makes sense. Seeing the future is the least of senseless things that the WT says.

  If I could see the future, I couldn't see the future, because it becomes different every time I change something based on it.
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  Even if it's not the truth, it's still the best way to live

  by Simon in

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  how many times did you hear that gem?

  it often went along with "the truth is a protection" which is their way of saying "living a moral life is good for you ... and you can't do that without us".. but think about what people are really saying.

  i think the real message is "i know it's not the truth, but i chose to follow it anyway".. it seems like a pre-emptive argument because they know they can't defend it as "the truth" so instead they switch to defending it as a lifestyle.. of course any kind of lifestyle that has a decent moral ingredient to it, respect for law and order, discipline etc... probably increases people's chances of doing better in life, but they don't have a monopoly on it.. so just remember, next time you hear someone saying "even if it's not the truth" what they are really admitting is that they already know it isn't..

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  Interesting post.

  Of course any kind of lifestyle that has a decent moral ingredient to it, respect for law and order, discipline etc... probably increases people's chances of doing better in life, but they don't have a monopoly on it.
  

  Actually, what I hate the most about that "ostrich-like" attitude is that they still attack other healthy moral ways of living. They do attempt to have a monopoly on their righteousness.
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  John travolta and watchtower

  by yalbmert99 in

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  john travolta was look for the church of scientology but ended up at the watchtower.... travolta.

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  LOL!
  
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  If we are further away from perfection, why are we more moral?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  as we know, witnesses teach that adam and eve were perfect and then committed the first act of sin and rebellion.. they in turn were cursed,and we all declined as their offspring.

  humans supposedly lived shorter and shorter lives, and became more imperfect and sinful.. the further away in time humans go then, they should be getting worse.

  so why is it then that as a society, humans have actually improved in so many ways?.

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  So why have we improved as a society even though we are now so "far from perfection"?
  

  My two cents: we develop as a society because that's what human beings are about. I used the word "develop". I'm not sure from what angle one can look at humanity in general and see "improvement". We have advances, conveniences, technology, better means and know-how on things that we never did before, but as society we are (IMO) not that great in terms of "improvement".

  That said, we're definitely better that Adam and Eve for the simple fact that we actually exist and they never did.
  
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  Anyone know what the special talk is this weekend?

  by charity7 in

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  non jw so thank you for bearing with me.

  do special talks happen with individual congregations or is it throughout?

  i was told by my husband that i had to go with him and the rest of his family to the special talk that was happening this weekend.

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  I refuse to because 1) his unchristian attitude towards me in regards to my beliefs and 2) I cannot with a good conscience support (by being in attendance) the deceit and lies being taught. Thank you guys for listening and thank you ahead for any comments.
  

  ...not to mention that there's absolutely nothing wrong with being unchristian. Now please bear with me. At the time when I was just out, that is within the week when I decided that I was completely untied with the WT, there was one of those "special talks" or announcements, etc. My family invited me, and they told me that they were reaching out to all people who were no longer attending. I told my family that my disinterest in the WT is 100% and that to me it makes no difference if I go or not, even if it is to that one instance.

  They didn't like my answer and that was the beginning of the end of my relationship with my JW family.
  

  That was in the late 80's. Those things are stupid tricks from the WT, lame attempts at making people believe that there's some universe changing announcement that will impact life as we know it. For as long as that stupid tired trick works with some people and keep making life difficult for people who want to leave and know better, they will continue doing that nonsense.

  Sorry you have to go through that.
  
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  Growing up JW kid: do you recognize

  by Gorbatchov in

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  born in 1970, 4th generation jw and parents who were loyal to but could also think on their own.. my father always said, the show goes on, so he had a respectable community job, advisor of the city counsel of the town.

  and buying ald building houses for us.

  we were on the move.. what i remember is the many conversations at home about the other witnesses.

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  My original question was: do you recognize this?
  

  Not at all. I think that you were fortunate to have a father with some degree of power and recognition in the community. That may have influenced the way he was perceived in the congregation.

  What I do recognize is the never buy-into the WT nonsense. Growing up I never cared for any of it.
  
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  spontaneous kindnesses

  by zeb in

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  the helper’s high.

  when people help others, it makes them feel good.

  we get what researchers call a “helpers high,” or a profound sense of well-being and optimism associated with helping.. and the impact goes further than just the emotional.

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  Thank you for this. Hopefully it bring some more goodness to all of us.