some former jw protesters are wasting their time and energy "exposing" or criticizing the watchtowers 2 witness rule here's why:.
lets suppose the governing body changes this and expells anyone accused of child molestation even if accused by one person.
would that solve the problem?
Are you for real, krismalone? You think that what matters here is being reinstated, the congregation, what they tell their victims and their families to do?
Those people are violating the law. They deserve to be jailed. They are violating children and getting away from it. Who gives a fuck about what their rules and protocols are.
i awoke in the middle of the night to banging on my door.
i went to the door half asleep and asked who was there.
i heard “police.” my dog was going crazy, so i slipped outside to talk to them.
The weird thing is that all of my friends know that I am not suicidal, and would have called me first before calling the police.
So it wasn't a friend, and it may have not been done in good intention.
after reading and seeing so many detailings of the dealings with people in this religion, i have to wonder how to get people who are just extremely asleep.
reasoning doesn't seem like it works, there needs to be some kind of plug pull event, like the leaders doing something so uterly stupid that it causes the immediate downfall of the entire religion.
but because i am naturally curious i want to know from people who have more experience with jw structure why they seem to have a resistance to an event like this?
But because I am naturally curious I want to know from people who have more experience with JW structure why they seem to have a resistance to an event like this?
My two cents. Many people concentrate in trying to reason and showing facts about doctrine, practices, legal lawsuits, things that they said before that now changed, etc, etc, etc. However, many people also fail to look at the most important part of why they don't react the way normal people should. They are attacking the effect, not the cause.
If you look at the reasons why people are there, they may have nothing to do with doctrine, practices, legal practices, nor things that they claim. It is about what that organization made them feel. The doctrine, teachings and bullshit came after they were made feel something they like and were (and still are) holding on.
Look at why people joined. Look at why people stay, and also look at us and ask why we left. Aside from people who have in fact become disappointed with the discrepancies in their teachings, there are others who have left for other reasons, such as:
There are many reasons why people join, stay and leave. That's what you need to find and address if you want to make them pay attention.
if anyone finds it odd that so many kingdom halls have been sold off, and amalgamations are taking place, this great video will explain it simply:.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohiju8ak1py&index=8&list=plkzeqk2ufxrntxsbgdoy_uxxa3grdhvsg.
I think it was posted before, but enjoyable nonetheless.
it could be argued that all jws are weird.
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i’m referring to really weird odd witnesses.. most of the oddballs that i remember were elders..
It could be argued that all JWs are weird.
I’m referring to really weird odd Witnesses.
Most of the oddballs that I remember were elders.
OMG, in what category! Let's see:
I'm sure that there are more, but those are the ones that I remember at the moment.
last night i had a sit down with a family member and some older friends who went to my hall.
didn't realise my family member who is active has been feeling alot of the same emotions i have.
my family member who is in high standing said he has alway been afraid to go to the elders because he has always felt they weren't ever understanding from his experience.
"we weren't raised for success"
Indeed. Life is not over, though. There are always ways to start over and build the life we want. It's sad if you think about the wasted time and energy in total bullshit, but not so sad if you look forward.
i was wondering how many of you still enjoy (or maybe you just feel the need) to discuss and debate jw doctrine and scripture.
i find myself scrolling right past those topics i see online.
i could care less.
I feel like that is a debate no one is going to win, and I have often wondered if the ones who want to argue the points are people who have found another religion that "really is the right one this time", or maybe they are still trying to prove to themselves it is the Truth™. I really don't know.
The point that you make is very interesting. The way I see it is that different people are at different stages of their lives, different stages of their sorting their own spiritual path, and to me that means that those debates matter to some degree.
I find id difficult to balance allowing people their own space to develop their own believes and putting up with a lot of nonsense. Where I find the most problems is that some people are still in JW mode, meaning that they go with the intent to convince others, not necessarily to listen what others have to say.
Also, I find it ok moving on from the debate and let others carry on. Just my thoughts.
the other day on this site, a lot of topics about the org.
and sexual abuse...now when i come on this site...crickets... what happened ?
it seems everyone is being exposed except the org...oh yes it's mentioned here and there but then it fades away...many celebrities are being exposed....& gov't officials and even our president, but not the org...ummmm.... thoughts ?.
Thoughts ?
My thoughts are that the topic has been covered widely. However, I'd like to know if there's anything to say about the victims. The coverage over the perpetrators has been quite extensive, very little is said about the victims.
It is personally responsible to walk away from other people's made up bullshit. I don't join other people's miserable drama. Some people like sucking the life out of others by always coming up with some kind of bullshit, and love keeping it going. And some people attack you when you refuse to be part of their dysfunctional shit.
So yes, that should be a mural next to every KH.
Walking away from crappy situations created by ill-intended crappy people who get off by doing that shit is a responsible thing to do.
i temped at bethel 3 times for varying lengths of time and found working there to not always be the rosy picture some would paint.
not a surprise really, but i think one of the things that surprised me the most was how a lot of the permanent bethelites (especially older ones) were so impersonal to temps.
they acted like you weren't worth investing their time in since you weren't permanent.
They acted like you weren't worth investing their time in since you weren't permanent.
According to a book I read, spiritually abusive people (or rather, abusive people who use religion or spirituality to abuse others) have this grandiosity and self-righteousness attitude. Some are very narcissistic. That attitude doesn't surprise me.
