a good friend of ours and i were chatting the other day about the difference between a zealous person and fanatical person.. what is the difference?.
why is someone praised for being "zealous" , but another person is mocked or condemned for being a "fanatical" person?.
how would jws be classed?.
I looked at the definitions for each, and the terms seem to be somewhat related.
zeal - great energy or enthusiasm in pursuit of a cause or an objective.
fanaticism - the quality of being fanatical.
fanatical - filled with excessive and single-minded zeal
Seems like becoming fanatical is an unhealthy exaggeration of being zealous. I hope this helps.
i had heard that jehovah's witnesses cannot pray for disfellowshipped individuals or apostates.
is this true?.
I had heard that Jehovah's witnesses cannot pray for disfellowshipped individuals or apostates. Is this true?
Ask the JWs about it.
anyone have any suggestions for gifts for father's day?
it happens to coincide with my boyfriend's birthday so i want it to be special but i'm kind of running out of ideas.
budget- up tp $150.
If you're a guy, what's a (tangible)gift that you've gotten that stood out and why?
Have you considered asking him, or anyone near him that could tell? Not all guys like the same things. You might get a million different answers, though it can be good to get ideas.
That said, I'm practical, so I prefer to give gift certificates. That way the recipient can buy whatever they want. Sounds less personal, but it makes it their choice of what they would do with what I offer.
yesterday a group of 4 jw's were walking at the street nearby.
the impression was so arrogant.
so superior.
Yesterday a group of 4 JW's were walking at the street nearby.
OMG! JW's walk! Who knew?
he pulled up in his car beside me and asked for directions, then he recognized me, we used to be in the same congo.. the usual pleasantries, i gave him directions, and then "when are you going to come back then" he asks.. "never" i say, "well, it has all changed" he says, " it's not like it used to be" i detect a tone of regret.. "but you know there is nowhere else to go" he boldly proclaims.. "yes there is !
" say i, "there is somewhere where you can find truth, and truth is supported by facts and evidence ".
he had to drive off then as he was blocking a narrow street, i did not get time to say " go to jw facts.com", i will tell him next time..
"But you know there is nowhere else to go"
Sadly, they truly believe that.
so i'm downtown and i see two jws hanging out on a bench by a cart.
i approached them and said, i saw you guys on the news, there was a child abuse cover-up in philadelphia.
they don't respond and just look at me.
So I'm downtown and I see two JWs hanging out on a bench by a cart. I approached them and said, I saw you guys on the news, there was a child abuse cover-up in Philadelphia. They don't respond and just look at me. I go, You don't want to talk about that? I find that disturbing. The woman says snidely, Well how could I talk about it if I haven't seen it? I said you could look it up on your phone, she was looking at her phone right there. I'll look it up later she says. I said No you won't and I walked off.
What incredible gall.
I know in this forum people hyper react to anything that remotely mentions the JWs, but I'm going to say what I'm going to say, anyway.
to me her reaction is no different than the reaction of many non-JW people. Having worked in human services, in programs for people in situations of domestic violence, that attitude and refusal of acknowledgment is wide spread across the board. That woman being a JW has nothing to do with it. I've seen mothers react in the exact same way about their own daughters being sexually abused by their husbands, boyfriends or others.
The issue of covering up sexual abuse (or any other kind of abuse of exploitation) of children goes way deeper than the WT and their people.
I've seen quite a few "incredible galls" in this life, both JWs and non-JWs.
Story out of Sacramento demon possessed pioneers
No, poopie. I haven't heard. I however might have been one of those when I pioneered. I did quite a few inappropriate things as a pioneer, even by wordly standards.
i just finished reading a long article about the young people wanting to break free of islam in australia and the problems they face in leaving their high control religion.
the similarities between us and them is quite clear, as is how they woke up.
it's worth a read.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-09/double-lives:-the-secret-ex-muslim-network-in-australia/9811340.
Thanks. There are similarities because high control and demanding groups are not about their doctrine; they are about the insane demands and control, and how it affects their members' behavior. I hope this helps those who still hang up only on what the WT says and teaches, and not on what they do.
let’s start with the good news for the congregation that is.
two new sisters were added to the group a mother and her daughter.
then the bad news.
Tell us what’s going on in your congregation.
I know that this is intended for those who still attend meetings, but I find it saddening, considering that many active JWs might take it on themselves that their numbers are dwindling. Many JWs are led to believe that it's because they aren't being or doing enough. Some JWs believe that Satan can possess congregations because of allowing sinners, so I know some JWs are in internal turmoil because of it.
That's the sad part.
remember when we could never say an opinion regarding politics?
it’s refreshing to see that we can tell everyone what our political stances are and have no fear of shunning .
Remember when we could never say an opinion regarding politics? It’s refreshing to see that we can tell everyone what our political stances are and have no fear of shunning
I agree. I was politically aware since I was 14. Later as an adult I was more involved in many events. That's aside from activism.
I think that in a way, some people feel attracted to the message that the WT delivers because they offer a solution to many of the problems that politics will never be able to solve. Many current and former JWs care for the world around them, want solutions to social and political problems. others are very frustrated with the way politics seems to never get us anywhere. Then the WT offers a complete replacement of every single government in the planet and unify it by allowing only people who do and believe the exact same thing.
What/how we deal we it, that's a different story. Some ex-JWs keep that same mindset about every single person having to have the exact same believes and way of thinking, expecting different results by doing the same thing that got them nowhere in the first place.
