Posts by scratchme1010

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Thankfully not many publishers remind " me" of Troy.

by The Rebel in

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friends

i took my son to the watford football club family day,-and the highlight- troy deeney.

he stayed until every last item was signed and every selfie was taken.

we left way after the end of the event and he left after us.

scratchme1010

How were you on the ministry, zelouse or lazy? Did you have any zelouse and successful publishers? I am sure that the large % of witnesses can't be bothered on the ministry, and this is why I was not surprised to discover no outsiders have been bought in to the congregation since I left.

I think that because I was born with that organization shoved down my throat, I became both very zealous and dedicated. After all I had no other way of knowing life and as children we always manage to find a way of doing what children are supposed to do.

Later as an adolescent was when i started noticing people slacking. I naively thought that every person was supposed to be as enthusiastic and devoted as I was. That started giving me ideas and I started being less into it. From that point all the way to my fade, I started becoming more and more disinterested, although I was always very, very good at preaching. I actually liked going to talk to people (maybe because that was the only real contact with the outside world I had). Sadly, I was never encouraged or praised for my good skills or devotion.

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Can baptism be considered a legal verbal agreement?

by StarTrekAngel in

based on the requirements set forth and the questions answered at the end.

i believe this question has been asked before.

the fact that you can only be expelled after having been put under this oath of allegiance and that you have witnesses to you making this agreement ( i remember my name was shout to the crowd when i entered the pool ).. if it can be considered so, would there be a legal ground to say minors can not enter this agreement?.

scratchme1010

If it can be considered so, would there be a legal ground to say minors can not enter this agreement?

Yes and no. Yes in the sense that they enter what is legally considered a fiduciary relationship, as they expect guidance and counseling from that organization. That is what has hold them legally responsible for covering sexual abuse of minors and not-so-minors too.

No in the sense that as a religious organization it is based on a spiritual/religious belief, and therefore it's not a transaction what happens when a person joins.

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BITE Model - Sound Familiar?

by pale.emperor in

researching cult mind control brought me to this site: https://www.freedomofmind.com/info/bite/bitemodel.php.

it's like reading a gb mind control manual.

it was my intention to make bold only the ones that the borg do... but they do 98% of them!!!.

scratchme1010

The major question (I think) is why people choose to submit themselves to that? I am born in, so I didn't choose to join. So it always baffles me to know that there are people out there who choose all that.

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This generation will by no means pass away

by Darryl in

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friends

good morning i hope everyone is having a wonderful day.

there has been a lot of talk about the "new light" concerning the generation teaching.

it's been a major part of the prophecy concerning the last days and of course since jws are the only ones able to decipher and understand prophecy it is of great importance to get this main prophecy right.

scratchme1010

There has been a lot of talk about the "new light" concerning the generation teaching.

AGAIN? Who cares, they have always gotten it wrong and they will always get it wrong. They have absolutely no saying about the future, period.

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Feel like starting a New Ministry! True Bible Students

by SonoftheTrinity in

i think studying the king james bible, and the jacobean flavored translations of the apocrypha and pseudipigrapha, whether you believe in them or not, is an essential part of being a culturally rooted english speaker.

i used to belong to an organization that advocated reading a chapter a day, but had no actual faith requirement to be a member.

20c a week and read the kjv a chapter a day, no lifestyle requirement, no doctrinal litmus test.

scratchme1010

I feel like putting on a stupid suit, or at least a dressy Guayabera for the summer heat, and going from house to house to spread that message, so that I can fellowship with people who care about truth with no definite article or capital T, because I believe in that with as much conviction as much as any brain dead dub.

Why on Earth? As much as you love it, doesn't change the attitude and desire not to be bothered that people have. I understand feeling strongly about whatever you choose to believe the Bible is or should be, but why bothering other people with it?

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Reinstated and then fade

by Zeds Dead in

i'm a man - d'fd for 2.5 years now and divorced.

find it hard to date girls out here only due to always having this secret i carry with me that i was once a jw and the thought of telling a girl one day why my family don't acknowledge me as even alive.. recently been thinking of trying to get reinstated and then do a quick fade as i cant go back to the whole jw stuff.. easier said than done and was turned down twice by elders after an immediate attempt 2 years ago.. my motivation for trying would be 1.

) to see if family make contact and 2) play the last hand in their game and give the middle finger.. interested in viewpoints?.

scratchme1010

Find it hard to date girls out here only due to always having this secret I carry with me that I was once a JW and the thought of telling a girl one day why my family don't acknowledge me as even alive.

What? I'd look at who and what kind of people you choose to date. Maybe stepping out of the comfort zone of people who make you comfortable asking out could help you find saner people who can't care less about being a JW. It's a religious affiliation, not child pornography for heaven's sake.

Some jerk elders love to mess with people and exercise all the power they can over others. That's all they have in their lives, so they may make it more difficult to you just for their own feeling of power over you. Have you considered looking for another congregation that may have more loving elders? I've known of some people who got reinstated faster in a different congregation, even when the written records trash them.

As for your reasons to get reinstated, I think that's decided on a case by case basis. I'm very clear about my standing with the WT and my JW family, and I don't need to go back for anything. But I know that there are people who are too invested and have many loved ones who are in and can't just leave and walk away. Your reasons are yours and I don't think that there's any right nor wrong in going back.

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Subtle Differences in congregations

by SouthCentral in

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friends

i grew up in a very zealous congregation.

we had almost 40 pioneers with only 100 publishers.

the congregation was 100% black americans (i don't say african-american).

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What are some differences that you noticed between black/white/spanish congregations? Have you noticed any racism/discrimination? Did witness talk negatively about other races? Growing up, most looked down on the spanish congregations (in the late 80's) but there was never any blatant discrimination. What has been your experience?
Did friend in your congregation not like /talk about other races negatively?

For as much as the JWs want to be and portray themselves as not part of the planet, and for as much as they claim that they have some "spiritual paradise" thing going on, the reality is that they aren't any different than the rest of the world. Socially, congregations behave according to the local culture. It's impossible to expect all congregations to have the exact same social characteristics.

As for racism, just like the rest of the country, I saw it everywhere in all the congregations I went to.

In one of my arguments with my father, he told me that the JWs don't discriminate. I laughed and said: "Sure, they don't discriminate; they just claim to be the one and only group that has the one and only truth, and the only ones deserving to live. Nothing, just that".

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Suffering with "Bridge-over-River-Kwai-syndrome" while fading

by OneGenTwoGroups in

i've never liked being late for meetings, 10 minutes early has always been 5 minutes late for me.

i'm a very punctual atheist at the meetings still.. when someone asks a simple question from the platform and not one dummy raises their hand, i still feel the need to raise my hand so that we don't all look like idiots.. my shoes still need to be clean and polished, my suits and ties match and are in good shape.

i never wear them anywhere else.. i still feel like saying hello to people that are obviously being ignored by everyone else.. people not singing out still bugs me, lol.

scratchme1010

I think I understand the feeling. Question, are you replacing any of those things you're fond of with something? Walking away without having something to fill the void (don't like that expression but can't find a better one) may not help the fading process.

Part of fading is building a life with fulfilling activities, and looking for better, healthier, self-loving ways of meeting your needs, not just disappearing from the congregation.

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Turn out the lights the party is over

by Crazyguy in

i think the reason the borg really went on a cost cutting move and is selling off all thier buildings has become obvious.

the cult is telling people that there fast growing but then the numbers seem to indicate about a 1% growth rate.

this would give them roughly 800,000 new baptized ones in ten years give or take do to the small increase per year from previous gains.

scratchme1010

There loosing 2 million per decade. How long can that's last.

People or dollars? Doubt that it's dollars. They do have a plan, they are in the real estate business and that move is going really well. They will continue sucking up the lives and money from their people until there's none. Then tjey will just close, leave, and reinvent themselves and start over again.

For them being the kind of cult that predicts the end of the world, their longevity has actually been quite good.

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This guy is more spiritual than I could ever be!

by Nathan Natas in

...and you know how spiritual i am!.

right?.

https://youtu.be/0btlqh8ndq8?t=231.

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I agree with Simon, not sure what should I do after your post, definitely not just an emoji.