Posts by scratchme1010

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SLEEP

by compound complex in

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sleep shall come, perhaps not today,but soon, an eternal, blessed slumber.

that bids farewell to suffering that eventrue love, in no measure, can assuage.. why such anguish, borne upon once broadshoulders that now do sag, no longer able.

to withstand the weight of both our worlds?come, o sleep, on velvet wings of night..

I think we are being shunned

by Tallon in

i have not read all the discussions about the recent regional convention where the org is now ramping up the diabolical act of shunning.

i am not sure as to which ‘category’ of persons it now applies.. my wife and i have faded over the past couple of years.

our book-study conductor used to drop by to give us the magazines.

scratchme1010

I just like to know if we have possibly been added to the esteemed group of people that is to be shunned.

Why on Earth? Aren't you fading (or faded)? Isn't the point of fading to let them go regardless of what stupid reason they use to feel like they are the ones calling the shots? In my opinion, who effing cares? That's what fading is supposed to be. I faded because (1) I don't give a rat's behind about that organization and (2) I want those people out of my life.

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A lie and contradiction in the Sophia Anti-Gay Cartoon

by Listener in

i've been noticing a big problem with their basic teaching lately.in the sophia anti-gay video, sophia says"but i want everyone to get to paradise"her mother's reply is"so does jehovah"they used to say that one of their most important commissions was the gathering of the anointed ones.

however, this was no longer necessary with their teaching that the anointed had been sealed by the 1930s and from that time there would only be replacements (taken from the other sheep).. w85 7/1a most important development on earth during these last days has been the gathering and sealing of anointed ones.

(revelation 7:3) while seeing that this is done, however, jehovah has brought the other sheep into association with them in a restored spiritual land.

scratchme1010

All of it utter life-wasting tripe.

Interesting that apparently somebody finds something related to the anointed wrong with that anti-gay video. The entire thing, the entire video, the entire concept of the anointed, the entire WT is messed up.

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60th Anniversary today - I was baptized 9-01-56

by Bonnie_Clyde in

60th anniversary – i was baptized 9-1-56 .

my parents weren’t witnesses at the time, but my witness uncle studied with my brother and i. i think the only reason my parents let him was because my brother was having mental issues and were hoping it would help him.

my father surprised me a few years later, started studying and was baptized in 1961, later appointed an elder.

scratchme1010

Thank you for sharing your story.

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Are you sad or angry?

by raven in

after exiting the org, i mean cult, how have each of you felt personally about the lies you had been taught, the hurt from feeling betrayed by these people, actual hopes of once believed false teachings, rose colored lenses of seemingly just and right doctrines that turned out to be a bunch of horse $#!+, the shunning of family and friends?

right now i am going through the motions, i've just moved to a new home, which means hopefully no more elders searching for me at my previous address.. i can't help but feel sad though right now because of the fact that although i am not df'd ( maybe the elders will do it in absentia assuming i've been avoiding them and the 2 jc's they've invited me to as well as the last handwritten letter at my door before i moved ) my mom treats me as though i am dead to her, she says " i am living the life of a disfellowshipped person, and until i come back to jehovah this is how things will be because this was my choice to leave jehovah " ok i get it, but i don't- everyone has free will, so yes this was my choice but it is also her choice to shun me, especially after the "shun unrepentant wrongdoers" talk at the rc, funny how they come out with these talks to reel members back in.. she claims that she has an obligation to jehovah of which she promised to him after she was baptized not at 11, 13, or 17 ( young ages ) but fricken 26 years old.

i absolutely hate this organization and everything that it is, it's taken away my family and most importantly my own mother.. i always thought that a mothers love was to be unconditional, but hers for me is only conditional.

scratchme1010

Since I was born in that organization and since my family members were not too supportive, and since I am gay, and since I have always love learning and studying, I was too busy enjoying my new found freedom from all the JW --it I grew up with, that it was over a decade later when I was able to have time and space in my life to reflect about the time wasted and the undeserved mistreatment I was submitted to.

However, yes, anger is a natural, normal thing to feel after realizing about their negative effects and how they want to influence your most important life decisions. It is just angering to have so many people following them, families divided, people dying.

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Real Estate turn over in Amqui, Québec

by StephaneLaliberte in

so, the jehovah`s witnesses sold a kingdom hall that used to be a little too big and started to build a new one a few streets away: .

http://www.lavantposte.ca/actualites/societe/2016/7/22/l-edifice-des-temoins-de-jehovah-prend-forme.html.

what i find absolutely ridiculous is that they could have taken the profit of the sale of the first hall to have a contractor build the second.

scratchme1010

Ridiculous.

Actually, smart... when you consider who/how they really are

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Evolution Gap - Where's the Fur? Redux

by shadow in

i am posting a second topic on this subject since the first one became overrun by snakes.. cofty posted a link to a published paper discussing this topic and referred to the information in it as "facts".

here is my summary of that paper along with comments on it.. one of the opening statements says that:.

two frequently debated aspects of hominin evolution are the development of upright bipedal stance and reduction in body hair.. so for those who believe this is a stupid topic, it is a subject of interest to many stupid people including the authors of the paper referred to by cofty.

scratchme1010

Using terms like "stupid" in your posts doesn't make what you want to say any (a) believable, (b) true, (c) compelling.

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Has anyone thought about if a General strike take place by undocumented immigrants.

by James Mixon in

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friends

this would cripple the economy, don't know about other states in the union but it would.

be devastating for the border states.

here in california restaurants (no workers) closed, .

scratchme1010

For as long as Americans keep themselves in denial about their role in the illegal immigration situation, it's going to remain messed up. Illegal people don't come here to sell drugs. Crack head Americans want to consume drugs. Criminals don't come here to commit crimes. Criminal Americans run to other countries to evade the law. Get the hang of it?

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Should I talk to elders?

by Chook in

the whole world is rigged, whether its religious tribunals or local police enforcement, those who are paid by god or government are the enforcers .

should you talk to elders... well imagine that brooklyn had ordered these men to df anyone who says anything against the slave.

do you stand a chance , religious zealots are the most ruthless throughout history, look into it , it's scary to think we believed a magazine that we thought came from god .

scratchme1010

The whole world is rigged, whether its religious tribunals or local police enforcement, those who are paid by God or government are the enforcers . Should you talk to elders... Well imagine that Brooklyn had ordered these men to DF anyone who says anything against the slave. Do you stand a chance , religious zealots are the most ruthless throughout history, look into it , it's scary to think we believed a magazine that we thought came from God . The more my mind think the greater the nightmares

If you ask me, what I found harder was forgiving myself for allowing all that nonsense in my life.

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Evolution vs Creation.

by The Rebel in

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looking at the board, i see so many long threads on " evoultion vs creation " ect, ect.. therefore if " your" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated j.w, may i ask one question?.

q) what makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?.

i ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine.

scratchme1010

Looking at the board, I see so many long threads on " Evoultion vs Creation " ect, ect.
Therefore if " YOUR" qualifications are only those of " an" uneducated J.W, may I ask one question?
Q) What makes you feel you are now qualified to comment with absolute ,authority on any discussion?
I ask the above question because for most of us " ex-witnesses " logic is still words written in the pages of an awake" magazine. So whilst FACTS, and images are great,the vehicle that will remove cognitively baffled minds should eventually be from " threads" or "posters," who can proove their credibility.

This is a forum open to everyone who signs up for it and abides the forum rules. Considering what this is, that means that there are a few realities that should be considered:

Not everybody is in the same place emotionally, educationally, physically, or morally. People share based on what their perception of reality is. Expecting people to respond and post everything they say according one person's perception of how things should be is an exercise in futility.
If I believe one or another thing, I am sure I'll have my reasons, not all scientific, not all based on the bible, not all based on emotion. That's just how life is.
Some people are in different "stages" (for lack of a better word) of their process; some people are still questioning things, some people's believes have never been challenged before, and some people just hate to be proven wrong (that's pretty much every other American I know).
When I share something, I always have a reason why for everything I state. Some people don't and that's perfectly fine with me. If another person chooses to believe otherwise, who am I to attack them. The opposite is true too. I do listen and read, but if I disagree I just disagree and explain why. To me that's the end of it.

The argument of somebody acting as if they are some kind of absolute authority in any matter can be used in any direction, after all, it is expected that people post what they believe and are convinced is their reality.