Posts by scratchme1010

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So when will the signs be for the end Matthew & Luke say....

by tor1500 in

jw
friends

a few weeks ago, i think it was in the imitate their faith book or was a public talk, i forget, but anyway, luke 21:10 says: then he said to them: “nation will rise against nation,+ and kingdom against kingdom.+ 11 there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;+ and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.

the brother was showing the signs of the end & how it matches up to our time.

but guess what folks, my eyes wandered to the next verse 12:but before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you,+ handing you over to the synagogues and prisons.

scratchme1010

Yawn

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Is this true

by pepperheart in

hi ive heard a romour that any jws that want a printed copy of the new song book to use at the kh will have to order one otherwise they will not get one.ithink they are trying to make people use tablets to view the song book.

as the new songbook is only 154 pages is this yet another money saving event in the borg .

scratchme1010

...or just sing whatever you feel like singing.

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If I Became a JW, Could I Have My Cat on Paradise Earth?

by Cold Steel in

would i?

i wouldn't mind if he slept through eternity (he sleeps most of the time anyway).

i'd just like to be able to move him around occasionally.

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I was wondering when was there going to be a post about cats. As they say, a good 70% of the internet belongs to cats

Now, I have heard that question and similar many times. Sadly, some people still try to see if they can squeeze into paradise a loved one who isn't a JW, just like with the cat.

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Secrecy?

by HereIgo in

were any of you shocked by the secrecy in the org?

i remember hearing that elders have to turn in their "flock" books if they resign, get deleted, etc, i didn't even know they had their own books and i was an ms. is the bible not enough?

i remember i asked one of the elders if i could see my publisher record, they refused to show me!

scratchme1010

Were any of you shocked by the secrecy in the Org? I remember hearing that elders have to turn in their "flock" books if they resign, get deleted, etc, I didn't even know they had their own books and I was an MS. Is the bible not enough? I remember I asked one of the elders if I could see my publisher record, they refused to show me! I was blown away. No wonder people called us a cult. Any similar experiences?

I was born in and therefore, conditioned not to pay much attention nor question things. That's one of the things we the born in have against us, that we don't have any reference to other systems, so to me and to many of us born in, we saw nothing wrong with the secrecy.

One important question you asked was "Is the bible not enough?". Something that was an eye opener to me was the fact that they claim to be all about the bible and that what the bible says supports all their preachings and believes. Yet, they need to have gazzilions of publications and meetings and studies to explain the bible. Furthermore, if you look at the number of publications that they make and leave in people's hands, it's exponentially more than the number of actual bibles that they print and give to people.

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What is the biggest hypocrisy you have seen as a witness?

by HereIgo in

i have far too many to name, but ill start with obscene music, gambling and cussing like a sailor.

all the while preaching to "worldly people" about their impending death at armageddon.

thoughts?.

scratchme1010

Seems like my post got deleted, and my guess is because I was too graphic, so I am going to post again in a less graphic manner. Actually, I am going to add some additional thoughts

I can attest to two big displays of hypocrisy. The first one was myself. When I was on my way out I was still preaching and attending meetings. I was out there preaching to people things I couldn't care less about. Interestingly enough, I guess since I was preaching since I was born, I was very good at making people listen, and I did spark some interest. I never followed up even though I got people interested in a revisit.

The other display of hypocrisy was this one elder that liked having sex with me. Later he was one of the elders who sat in my JC to talk about "my" (read "their") homosexuality problem. At that point I couldn't care less about anything they had to say as I was already almost out and felt that they had absolutely no authority over me and my life decisions. I played along but to me the whole thing was a show (I guess from both ends - no pun intended).

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Am I right in thinking that the most zealous JW make the most zealous apostates.

by Chook in

just a thought.

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I agree, though I am a very proud apostate and very loud and out there about it, and I don't think that i was very zealous as a JW.

I guess there are some of the born in who have a slightly different experience since we didn't choose to become JWs. So I think that there may be exceptions coming from those who are born in.

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Double Standards?

by HereIgo in

i always found it interesting how there are doctors at bethel and jw lawyers, when the org frowns on pursuing higher education.

i guess it's ok if it's for their benefit?.

scratchme1010

I always found it interesting how there are Doctors at bethel and jw lawyers, when the org frowns on pursuing higher education. I guess it's ok if it's for their benefit?

Double standards exist in many different ways in the WT. Ask any JW woman and you will see how some perfect JW moron can enjoy better privileges and better standing in a given congregation simply for being a man, and how perfectly capable women can't do much but giving suggestions at best, just because they are women.

In the last congregation I officially belonged to, the double standard was based on social status. There was a clear difference between the way people of the higher socioeconomic status were treated. I remember this one elder who was the first agronomist in Puerto Rico. His attitude was very elitist. When his wife passed there was this massive mourning in the congregation as opposed to when other people were sick and/or dead. It was very clear that there was a double standard.

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Kamikaze

by new boy in

jw
friends

there are many people out there willing to die or kill for what they believe in.

i was one of those in my early twenties.

i was a self righteous pioneer and bethelite willing to die for what i thought was "the truth".

scratchme1010

That is why my favorite bumper sticker is "Please god protect me from your people." for there is nothing more dangerous then god's people or someone willing to die or kill for what they believe in.

I agree. Though there are healthy ways of standing up for what you believe, a very different situation if getting brainwashed and lose your own humanity for a cause that may not even be yours.

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Question About David

by berrygerry in

1 samuel 15:22 famous wt verse emphasizing obedience.. if saul was severely disciplined for offering a burnt sacrifice, then what's going on with david in 2 samuel 6?.

17they brought the ark of the lord and set it in its place inside the tent that david had pitched for it, and david sacrificed burnt offerings and fellowship offerings before the lord.

18 after he had finished sacrificing the burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, he blessed the people in the name of thelord almighty.

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The reason why wt writers like David so much ,is, that he got away with violating every law on the books, his victims were punished, and wt's history and it's future is full of the same sordid goings - on. They hope they can get away with it too.

...true, although they severely downplay the "friendship" he had with Jonathan.