Posts by scratchme1010

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Poor people are sub-human?

by Alostpuppydog in

has anyone noticed how many jw's really seem to be rollin in it?

escpecially the elders, and they treat their subordinates like filthy gum on the bottom of their shoe?

just wondering because i too am poorer than poor and have spent a fourth of my life homeless already and i am 22.. another thing to consider is why domost of the population on this planet seem to hate the poor, even though we outnumber the middle class and the rich greatly?

scratchme1010

I believe that the haters are not the majority. They are just the loudest. Some elders are not that kind of people, but the system in which they are in doesn't allow them for any humanity that isn't approved by the WT.

Sorry to hear that you have been homeless. I hope your situation is better now. And yes, there's a stigma attached to it, people tend to feel better knowing that there are others in worse position than they are. That's part of the reason why the JW system doesn't work. Humans should love themselves enough not to need to compare themselves to each other.

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New member

by NinaCee in

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i did not see a newbs thread to introduce myself, so my apologies if i'm in the wrong place.

i was a 3rd generation born in witness for 30 years until i was disfellowshipped back in 2007 for making a mistake.

my entire life up until that point was based on and circled around the society, and even though at first i really enjoyed my freedom (i still do), the fact is that i'm still struggling with cognitive dissonance, resentment, and loneliness.. i miss my family all the time.

scratchme1010

So having said all that... I'm not looking to focus on negativity... just looking to connect with others who can relate because well, like I said, I feel alone lol.

Welcome to the forum (bienvenida). Sorry you're going through so much.

The only thing it occurs to me aside from the thoughts and suggestions that other have provided, is to seek help and support outside any spiritual setting. Mental health professionals help with cognitive dissonance, resentment, and loneliness, that is, those who are prepared or specialize in that area.

Maybe you haven't considered the alternative of seeking professional help because of the fear and neglect around it that the WT instill on people (they have no education, training nor interest in helping with any issue of mental health, self esteem, or mental well being, and they never admit that there are issues and problems that their magic Jehovah cannot address properly).

Then, I don't know if you're in the kind of Hispanic family that thinks that counseling or professional therapy means that "te has vuelto loca" and dismisses anything around seeking professional help. If you feel reluctant, please give it a chance, many of us have been able to move on properly and deal with the great changes and challenges imposed by getting disfellowshipped by obtaining this kind of support.

There are psychologists, counselors, social workers and support groups that specialize in the negative influence of groups and relationships like the JWs. I recommend these people who have a lot of experience in the matter and run a free support group.

http://www.blgoldberg.com/

I hope this helps.

Once again, welcome.

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Scientology special series by Leah Remini - wonder if any JWs have watched it and what they think?

by deegee in

does anyone know of any jws who have watched leah remini's special series on scientology currently being aired on the a&e cable channel?

the jwdom parallels are striking.. i am curious to know if any jws have watched it and what their reactions are?.

..............on second thoughts, there's some course language in the series - which has been edited - so maybe jws might not watch it.. it seems the series is best for someone who is in the phase of waking up, aware that something just isn’t right with the group.

scratchme1010

I haven't watched that particular show, but there are many on Scientology around. I recently watched one in Investigation Discovery, following the story of a woman who ended up murdered by her own son in the Scientology church.

I like shows like the one you're mentioning. I'll look for it.

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Song Book changes and new light?

by kairos in

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i was just thinking, did new song books precede periods of jw doctrinal changes?.

the latest songbook ( 2009 ) came out just before the maniacal rebranding of watchtower into jw.'org..

what about previous generations?

scratchme1010

...did it come before new and exciting revelations from the slave...

No, the change back then became out of legal problems because in the previous songs they plagiarized music that didn't belong to them. That illegally changed the Lyrics of music that was copyrighted. Those were the songs they eliminated, and new music was added.

The only change that I remember back then around that time that was announced as the so-called "new light" was that they changed from pricing the magazines to letting people contribute what they wanted.

Just one side note, the actual active JWs are the real slaves.

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Our new life.

by The Rebel in

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our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?

what is that new life?

it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.

scratchme1010

So do not leave the Watchtower if you only have a poor quality of life outside the organization, remain with dignity, don't be intimidated by their authorative voice, and plan a future where you are fulfilling your own wishes. Remember our life is for our enjoyment, and it should never be given to a heartless organizations, nor even well wishing parents. HOWEVER, neither hould our rebellion from the Watchtower leave us friendless and alone.

Thank you for sharing. I'd say that there's no specific formula and that all suggested actions should remain as suggested. There's no cookie cutter way of leaving as there are many different factors that each person has to consider in their particular situation.

Once again, I'd like to add to consider the one and most important thing, and the one and most thing that tends to be neglected to be mentioned: your feelings.

If a person plans to leave, I'd strongly suggest to first take a look at what is that the WT gives the that makes them feel comfortable and makes them stay up to this point. There are reasons why people join and they have nothing to do with learning anything, but with something that gives them comfort. People should take a look at what is that the WT has that gives them that comfort. Then is where (IMO) they can start understanding their reasons and their thought process around their decision of joining, and then they can start looking for healthy alternatives to fulfill whatever the WT does for them.

The part that I quoted from you is very important, especially what you mention about your rebellion. To me the most damage occurs in people being convinced of all the nonsense that the WT tell people about the world outside and about what their lives are supposed to become if they leave. That's the most manipulative thing, the fear that the WT instill in people about the world and their lives without them.

People don't need to buy into their black and white mentality. Being outside doesn't mean that you become immoral, nor that you are supposed to become anything that they say people become.

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When will the construction at Warwick finish?

by no-zombie in

i'd like to as the question, when will construction at warwick finish?

will it be before the 2017 agm?i'm asking because, if the construction is basically finished by then, the gb could be free to release more 'new light'.its hardly likely that they would announce big changes that might effect the willingness of their laborers to continue working for free.

so i'm sort of hoping, all the big stuff will be done by then.

scratchme1010

I'm asking because, if the construction is basically finished by then, the GB could be free to release more 'new light'.

What does the announcement of their so-called new light has to do with finishing a building? And what exactly is what you're hoping? Personally I can't care less about anything they say, but I just wonder what do you think it's so relevant that is worth such expectations?

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The WTBTS exposes itself about shunning!

by The Searcher in

"does religious conversion dishonor family traditions or customs?

this need not be the case.

the bible encourages respect for all, regardless of their religion.

scratchme1010

A major investigation of the practices, hypocrisy, and lies of this alleged "charity" is long overdue by the relevant authorities.

Problem is that the authorities have no ruling and no saying in anything that is not illegal. They are not violating any law, and JWs are voluntarily agreeing to abide their rules (by brainwashing, coercion and shunning, yes, but voluntarily nonetheless).

There's not such thing as the moral police, not to mention all the things that many other religious organizations get away with in the name of religious freedom and separation of church and state.

I agree that they are morally disgusting, but they are doing nothing illegal at all.

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JW eBay Feedback Comment "Time Is Running Out!"

by pale.emperor in

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so i did a huge book clearout before i moved house a few weeks ago.

among the books for sale were some watchtower books that had become obsolete, old light or had since been "clarified" by the society.

so i thought they'd be wanted by ex-jw's or active apostates for their research.. unfortunately, it looks like an active jw is so brainwashed that they not only bought the "old light" version of gods kingdom rules but they even suggested that i read it because "time is running out".

scratchme1010

what does one say to a comment like that?

Personally I say nothing. There's no point in talking to a person who is more than happy to start a conversation about something you have no interest in hearing about. Saying anything to that person will not have any positive outcome.

It is obvious that you're getting rid of your books, so if the person isn't capable of understanding anything, why bother? Besides, if your sole purpose is to sell the books, who cares where they end up?

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Greetings and would like some advice about a potentially fun idea

by towerwatcher in

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hello fellow apostates!

my first post and a long time lurker here.

i would like to thank all of you for the existence of this board as this has been instrumental for me in leaving the place i once knew as "the truth".

scratchme1010

If I decide to sell these on the market, I am not sure if I will run into legal trouble though. Do you guys have any advice? Should I go ahead with this or is it not worth the potential trouble? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks

Looks like a lot of fun. You may in fact get in trouble, and if it becomes lucrative, they may even steal your idea. Their material is copyrighted, so you may need their permission to replicate it.

THAT SAID, and on a second thought, I know that some of the illustrations that they used in their art were actually plagiarized. I remember one illustration in the "Your youth" book being copied from an advertisement that I myself saw in National Geographic magazine. So their copyright may not be that rightful.

Something else, you may want to have fun with that project, but you may actually be promoting them. There's no such thing as bad publicity, especially in that form. Think of the objective you may have for your project.

Also, please note that not all here consider themselves apostates. Just trying to be sensitive to others.

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need to "stay alive to xx75" to prove wt wrong? again?

by prologos in

you dont have be alive to 2075 to prove that the wt's anointed generation is and will prove to be wrong, it is!

and you can do it now, by asking just one question:.

does the "generation" prophecy of math.

scratchme1010

Does the "generation" prophecy of Math. 24 include Armageddon ?

Or by asking: Who cares what you WT freaks have to say?