two ironys here... first of all the title "keep in expectation as jehovahs day draws near" - (this talk is from 2006!!
) i suppose 11 years isnt near enough.
second is that geoffrey jackson, of all people, is giving a talk that goes on and on about liars and how jehovah never lies.
Two ironys here... first of all the title "Keep In Expectation As Jehovahs Day Draws Near" - (this talk is from 2006!!) I suppose 11 years isnt near enough. Second is that Geoffrey Jackson, of all people, is giving a talk that goes on and on about liars and how Jehovah never lies.
Yes, it's all garbage.
any takers?.
Don't know, don't care.
...would you choose to ban the jw religion?.
if you wouldn't ban them what, if any, changes would you force upon them?.
...would you choose to ban the JW religion?
If you wouldn't ban them what, if any, changes would you force upon them?
Donald Trump, is that you?
No, it's not ok to ban a religion, any religion. It's illegal, it's immoral, and in USA goes completely against the principles upon which the nation was formed.
I wouldn't force any changes either. Since this is a fantasy, totally unreal, not-ever-existing-and-never-will-scenario, I think that "forcing" might not be the right word to use. I have zero respect for that organization, but I do defend their right to exist as a religious organization. So in my if, fantasy, never happening scenario, the leadership of the WT will be receptive to obtain feedback from the actual needs from their own people. I'm sure that if they decide to hold a focus group, the JWs themselves could create a great transformation for the better. But again, it's an if, fantasy, never-will-happen scenario.
i think the majority of forum friends are aware of the existence of a vibrant watchtower opposition in the spanish field.
for about 13 years the extj forum was probably the main instrument for that endeavor, sadly the couple sponsoring that site decided to close it at the end of last year.
it seems like they were overwhelmed with personal obligations and responsibilities; they were covering a 100% of the expenses without any outside cooperation or publicity.. after the closing of their forum, some of the friends started new sites to keep the flow of information alive.
Sad indeed.
Why people keep promoting them?
i am interested in finding out on a small scale the extent of which shunning has impacted on you personally.. my own experience is that when i faded about 12 years ago.
the woman whose house the book study was held at (and who was virtually a neighbour) walked right past me in my own street.
i remember it so well.
@UnshackleTheChains
I felt your pain in every word you typed. That is just so sad.
Thank you, but I don't think that I am in pain. I have my personal preference on how things should have turned out in relationship with my JW family, but if you look at the things in my life that I have and have accomplished, pain isn't exactly what comes to mind. I have a good fulfilling life.
Most importantly I have my family of choice. I am not alone, never have been. Furthermore, when I look at what/who/how they are, I'm more thankful I broke away from them than sorry. Plus, please don't make the assumption that because they are the JWs, they are the only ones in the position to shun. I chose not to have them in my life. I shunned them.
In fact, it's interesting to see how many JWs love, love, love to shun and hear how much people are sad and in pain for it, but hate, hate, hate when the people they shun agree with being shunned, don't want the JWs in their lives and are happier for it. That's not supposed to happen according to the JW crap they are taught.
my definition of a cult is just this:if you are not allowed to research outside of your religion's published sources, you are in a cult.what other religions (cults) are there that absolutely forbid outside research on threat of punishment / shunning?
Just about all religions frown on critical research from a outsiders perspective, why ?
There's a difference between wanting to convince people that their interpretation of the bible (for example) is the right and correct one, and punishing, shaming, even killing people for looking for information or even questioning the veracity of their claims.
Yes, religions of all kinds believe that they are right in everything they say. No one in their right mind ig going to make a claim and say "by the way, I'm wrong".
What makes it a high demand, controlling, cultic situation is the way people who question or do independent outside research are treated. Depending on the severity of the cult, the "consequences" of their research can be from laughing at them to getting killed.
The Amish (I think).
I agree. Some of those communities can be very restrictive, demanding and controlling.
so when i think of the word heaven.
i see angels, clouds and harp players.
but in reality when we think about it, for thousands of years it's been occupied by the devil himself and his demons.
But he can occupy the same space as demons. Hmmm.
He's supposed to be the creator of everything, including dirt and demons, and us.
BTW, if you start looking at the behavior of the bible's god you're going to end up looking at Roger from Jerrican Dad.
at the meeting today, we were reading the watchtower and this elder apologetically said to such a degree in regards to romans 5:12 that "we humans are not worthy of any mercy from jehovah.
we shouldn't even have free will because we can't possibly do anything good enough to please jehovah.
we don't even deserve life because of sin.
Even when me and my friend were in, we never felt that humans were just so bad that they deserved to be treated like slaves but we did believe that mankind should follow God's law. It is so daunting to think that some witnesses feel that way and that means they must have an incredible inferiority complex on behalf of this religion and I believe this can be dangerous but I'm not sure why.
That's the core of every christian religion. We are supposed to be born in sin and therefore we do not deserve to live. Our mere existence according to them is deserving of dying.
It is disgusting.
a new commadment to the posting guidelines.
we must love one another.. if i read the posting guidelines and saw the lurking presence of that new commadment " we must love one another" i would feel very uneasy about registering.
it sounds more like a threat than an expression of love.
Strangely as a witness they talk about loving each other, and possibly because they interpret it as a COMMANDMENT, they can disfellowship so easily, and think it a loving arrangement.
They are conditioned to be told everything, what to say, how/what to think, what to do. Not surprisingly, they have to be told how to love. The commandment part sounds like an arranged marriage.
