Do You Share Jehovah's Sense of Justice?
No, I'm a decent person.
same theme scripture as last week deut 32.
3/4 "a god... who is never unjust".
do i share that spirit ?
Do You Share Jehovah's Sense of Justice?
No, I'm a decent person.
hello, this is my 1st initiated post on this site, so i'm a bit nervous.
i did search for similar topics on this site, but a lot of them have been inactive for several years, so here goes.... a little background, i was pretty much born in "da twoof", baptized at 17, pioneered for about 6 years, was part of the rbc part time, and was even in the foreign language field for the last 3 years i was a jw.
so i pretty much had a pretty active social life within the organization due to being part of all of those things.
Just want to welcome. Other posters have provided you with great insights and kind words and a warm welcome. I just want to welcome you, and I hope you have some fun reading people's postings.
i just learned that my wife's congregations will soon be disbanded.
her congregation will disappear (cahuenga spanish in north hollywood in southern california).
all the members will be added to other neighboring congregations.
Thank you Al Gore for inventing the internet!!
LOL! Some people may not know or remember his lie. That's a classic.
About the OP, it's no secret that their number of converts are dwindling. It's also no secret that they are well aware of it and taking measures. That's why they are in the real estate business.
remember, remember - darkspilver or darkspliver couldn't even remember his username!
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/282501/calebs-aeroplane-returns-w14-11-15-p-16.
let's consider spilver or spliver's posts - since he likes to do it to others!.
It begs the serious question - What possible motive would anyone on this site have for trying to discredit sincere and factual criticisms of the org and its teachings?
I agree with not taking that poster too seriously. Normally people who are up for sharing in a forum, even when they want to discuss or disagree, they tend to be respectful, and even if they are not, they can provide at least a reasoning behind their thinking.
When a person shows that kind of attitude, that is, getting personal every single time and always wanting to say something but not listening to anything, then it's just not worthy.
Do what some people do with some of my posts, and what I do with some other people's posts, just ignore.
we all need to earn a living.... so just curious, what is the worst type of work or job you have ever had to do?.
What is the worst type of work or job you have ever had to do?
My God, in what category? Out of the top of my head, there was this job that I got doing human services for a shelter for people with HIV from the Department of Corrections. It was used as some sort of halfway house. If you think that the population I was helping was the difficult part, nope.
The welcoming that the supervisor gave me was "You are taking a job from my people". She was African American, so at first I thought that by "my people" she was referring to other African Americans. Then I found that every African American in the office hated her with passion. As I progressed in the job I realized that by "my people" she may have been referring to her invisible friends. One day she just fired me. The following week she was arrested for public drunkenness, was fired herself, and was also indicted for embezzlement.
In another job, also in an HIV organization, but this time I was doing Educational Technology, my supervisor went on an "anti-me campaign". She had no clue on how to manage people (actually, what's up with these Harvard graduates? Every Harvard graduate I've worked with has always been clueless and mediocre, knows nothing about nothing). The culture there was very "Real Housewives". She threw tantrums, yelled at people and was very capricious in the way she made decisions. She acted resentful of the fact that I knew how to do my job and I was also able to charm and gain trust from the representatives in the partnership. She wasn't that charming, and she was always gossiping.
The media person in that place was very sexually inappropriate, and the receptionist (who was also the daughter of the Executive Director) had some kind of mental disability. That wasn't the problem. The problem was that she had very, VERY poor hygiene. Once I went to the office on a Sunday and I could still smell her stink from Friday afternoon when she was last there. That's how bad it was.
They found a way of getting rid of me. Months later there were very loud almost violent protests for that Harvard bitch to step out. They forced her to resign. They were racist! I was the only person who was any kind of social or racial minority who was in management. Even the board, which should also have consumers, those clients were also white men. She's out too, and the place is now laying low.
Then back when I was in Engineering there was this Architect who hired me, and later I found out that he wanted to hook me up with his son. That didn't work out.
Then there was the Supervisor where I worked designing educational technology for adult basic education and ESL, who happened to live a few blocks from me. She wanted to be my boss in the neighborhood. Once, I went to a cafe, and there she was, and she attempted at giving me orders there. Of course, I put her in her place beautifully. She then went in this vendetta against me. When she saw that I was not one to mess with, she started appearing everywhere I was in the neighborhood. Then in New Year's eve, when the new year arrived, my husband and I went out to congratulate the neighbors and be neighborly, and when we opened the door, there she was dancing in front of my house, alone, like a lunatic. At some point I realized that I've never seen her with anyone. She was just some lonely crazy pathetic bitch.
Then there was this place where I worked teaching computers to juvenile offenders. In several occasions the owner of the company told us on pay day that he had no money to pay us that week.
Speaking of no money, there was this other computer school where I worked, that was bouncing paychecks. One day I went to work and I saw all my students standing at the entrance. It was padlocked. The school just closed. I had to criminally prosecute the owner to get my owed money.
In my first job interview, the guy was was in his underwear. I got that job.
In another interview, the guy was drunk, and he wanted me to drink with me as we talked. I drank only half a glass, and very slowly. I also got that job.
In another school I taught, they wanted me to conduct two classes at the same time in two different classrooms. I quit that job.
In another job, working as a technician, the mother of the owner was always there "supervising" us. She had no knowledge of Engineering, she was there protecting her son.
I have more stories, but you can see that there are quite a few places and people who are very inappropriate in spite of all laws and regulations that are in place.
i realize that prayer is a really personal thing, but representing a group in prayer has become so full of cliche's that i just want to vomit sometimes.
co week almost every prayer has the phrase "special week of activity" in it.. then there's "please look after the sick and afflicted.".
not so much anymore, "please bless this food and the hands that prepared it.".
got any favorites of your own?
All of it. Other people praying is just annoying. I believe that prayer and any connection that you have with whichever source of spirituality you choose, is personal and unique to you. Hence, including other people in any prayer is like using a public toilet. May serve the purpose but leaves you wondering how healthy the event has been.
7 years ago i was this "ultra spiritual elder".
you name it, i was visible all over the region.
i was the coordinator, on the convention committee, rbc, had a talk at every convention and assembly, regular pioneer, etc.
The Watchtower Organization is making itself harder with each passing day, to buying into their doctrines... What's there to believe in anymore? I'm not feeling it!
Thank you for sharing about yourself. I'd like to ask you, then what do you believe in? I understand the disappointment and other feelings that have left you where you are, but have you though about "what now"? Are you ok in the state where you are?
i still believe in freedom of religion even if i disagree with the beliefsof the religion.
what about you?.
I still believe in freedom of religion even if I disagree with the beliefsof the religion. What about you?
I believe in freedom of religion. I think that if it was up to me, and they have the right to exist, I'd strongly suggest reform. I can't care less about what they teach, but I know that many people do.
If they want to be a legitimate religion, really caring for their people, then be so, but they don't need to mislead people to make their most important life decisions around their lies.
ok the first thing that come to mind, how in the hell a frog make in through all the food handlers into a salad..but when you think about it i became a jw thinking a nice spiritual meal and i ended up with crap and no one warned me, there is something ugly in your organization.......the restaurant bj's w. covina ca.
one of my favorite restaurant....ktla.com/woman-finds-frog-in-salad-at-bjs-restaurant-in west-covina.
i'm a very positive person who always try to focus on the good side of things.. however, my fading is becoming increasingly painful and i'm starting being shunned by some i thought were friends.
i'm missing some meetings so the rumour is spreading to neighbouring congregations where i'm known that i'm not as spiritual as i used to be.
elders want to have a shepherding meeting with me.
I'm being asked many times why I got my degree so late. Got some feedback from one of the companies I was interested and told me I was not selected because of my age (almost 30) and not having enough experience despite having done it well in the process.
You're not in USA, I presume. That kind of questions will give you enough money to retire due to settlements.
To your question, I think that you may have started your fading too soon. There's no easy way of knowing certain things, but this is the type of things that many JWs fading neglect to think about. Once again, fading is 99.99% about learning and experiencing as much as possible life outside the WT, and only 0.01% detaching from meetings and preaching. Unfortunately, a lot of JWs don't take the time to learn about life outside and barriers to overcome.
BUT, here now, not finding a job, leaving your life behind and leaving your loved ones behind, along with being shunned, all that creates a lot of anxiety, sadness, even depression. In that state, I'm quite sure that anyone is going to struggle with meeting new people.
Have you considered getting help with the emotional aspect of it, that is, a mental health professional? Also, I refuse to believe that you are the one and only person in your country who has finished a college degree later in life. Look for support and information about what others have done. you cannot be the only person who has done that, so there have to be something and some solution to that.
This may sound a little out there, but it reminds me of my time between my first JC and my last time ever in a KH. During that time I had a double life. I was using the naivete of many Jws, the ones I identified that would fall for it, and pretended that I was still in, still interested and still being as JW as I was.
There was an overlapping time when I was seeing my JW girlfriend and my not-so-JW boyfriend.
Would you consider faking "returning to Jehovah"? That can buy you some time and get you less headaches while you still continue solving whichever obstacle you still find in your transition. It's something like a "do-over".
The good thing about JWs is that they will buy it if you say that you are "back" and need their "spiritual food" or whatever does it for them. Remember, they are brainwashed to believe that such types of miracles happen.
Would you consider that? You can act like I did when I was on my way out. Sounds insincere and fake, like you're doing something beyond your sense of ethics, but it is your life and well being we're talking about here. If you are up for it, now that you know more about the kinds of things you actually have to address outside, concentrate in getting that solid necessary foundation FIRST, then on fading and leaving.
(I cannot believe that I am actually suggesting somebody to go back!)