Posts by scratchme1010

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June 20, 2017 TO ALL BODIES OF ELDERS Re: Supplier Arrangements on jw.org

by wifibandit in

june 20, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: supplier arrangements on jw.org.

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scratchme1010

I don't get it. Like any company, they just streamline their supplies to save money.

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I asked an elder how is the witnessing going in Bangladesh?

by Chook in

i said god is not giving them much of a chance to hear his message, i think it's one to 3 million ratio.

i said if wt paid prime internet space they could beam their propaganda to everyone instantly, then you could show the world mr lett live , and explain how he is to rule the world from heaven.

then i asked that god seems to like the anglo nations , i should of asked how many chinese and indian are on the gb..

scratchme1010

I asked an elder how is the witnessing going in Bangladesh?

What was his answer? Did it make a dent?

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Why do ones that got out come back in?

by moreconfusedthanever in

i have not been to a meeting for about 2 years now.

i do not intend to go back but one thing has me baffled.

why do ones that have faded and been out for years return?

scratchme1010

Why do ones that have faded and been out for years return? I have a friend who got DF a few times and came back and then faded and I can see that as a strategy to ensure you still get to speak to your family and friends, but I do not understand what makes faded ones come back.

It's difficult for me to answer that question in the general sense, however, experts in the matter of cults and groups like the JWs believe that the reasons people return are very similar to the reasons why some JW stay.

Some continue to believe in the JW doctrine. Some people do like reading the bible, analyzing "the scriptures", some people feel that that's cool and miss it.

Some people feel loss after leaving. That is particular of the born in. They have invested a lot of their time and energy, and the "pressure" of starting over is too much for them to handle.

Something bad happens to them or to the world. I heard of some ex-JWs that went back after the Sept. 11 attacks in USA, thinking that "maybe the WT is right".

They miss family. They are shunned and feel lonely without their love ones.

Shame. They left or were kicked out without a lot of planning, and as such, they may have not prepared for leaving and then "face consequences".

Fear. Leaving doesn't mean that they are no longer influenced by the WT. Something that many faders believe is that leaving and fading is just stopping from attending meetings and participating in their activities. it is a process of "deprogramming", getting rid of the JW mindset, and that's something that many fail to see how embedded it is.

I have known many ex-JWs, out for years if not decades, who still not celebrate birthdays and believe that the WT is "the truth". Some are just physically out but mentally in.

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I remember my Grandfather who was a CO saying;

by dogon in

i was thinking of my co grandfather who passed on a few years ago.

his wife my grandmother passed on in 99. i can remember him saying "i know after armageddon i can not be married to her but maybe we can live next to each other.

not sure where the cult stands on this issue today.

scratchme1010

But its sad that people follow the cult that makes them feel sad and inadequate.

In something I posted about my father, who is in his 80s and is now alone (my JW mother passed away last year), one of the things that breaks my heart is seeing his pain for knowing that he will not be married to my mother in Paradise, along with missing her (they spent a good 80% of their lives together). It is heartbreaking to have people suffer like that.

I don't know about where they stand with it now, but I know that my JW father still has that belief.

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love of money

by road to nowhere in

we are asked to not love money, work ot (i was never asked because the company had money to give away, rather had a job that needed done), no extra schooling.. then when we read the literature they make a big deal of the ones who are rich.

so proud of abraham, david, and on.

remember lydia?

scratchme1010

Indeed. I am 100% sure that Abraham did not live in a Walmart tent

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Anything i should know about the upcoming convention?

by CitizenofEarth in

anything i should be aware of?

i am not sure i will go, since i just moved away from home a month ago.

it is not cheap to travel 250km and pay for hotel here in denmark, and i am not exactly rich.

scratchme1010

Anything i should know about the upcoming convention?

Yes, stay away from it. If not and option, bring your laptop with you.

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What changes would JW.org need to make to become a normal Christian denomination.

by UnshackleTheChains in

i am interested in getting people's thoughts on this.

on average 40 thousand people leave the organisation yearly for one reason or another.

the experiences all over the media are proof of this.

scratchme1010

Interesting. If they want to become a mainstream religion, in my humble opinion, I'd say:

A/ to become a normal Christian faith group in which its members are a happy AND proud to be JW's

Stop the practice of shunning. Stop brainwashing their members to believe that not being part of their loved one's lives is a good thing.

B/ to stop the haemorrhaging of its members.

Same way than in the first one, but growing the same way that other religions do, not by exploiting people and make them work for them for free.

Or there's the option of becoming a non-growing, yet, solid religious organization out of being a supportive, loving caring organization, not being there for the money as they are now.

Also, become professionals. If they want to have people make important life decisions, at least have a clue by having professional counselors, early child education people, mental health professional. That means that they have to completely change their "magic Jehovah" attitude that service or their Bible translation is the answer to everything.

There's a lot more they could do, but that's a good start.

C/ to rid themselves of being stigmatized a cult by Joe public and thus more appealing as a Christian organisation.

They are not being stigmatized as a cult. They are a cult. So this one is simple, just stop being a cult, and show it.

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Another JW Urban Legend Thread

by Funchback in

threads about jw urban legends are nothing new on this forum.

they are loads of fun to read.

how many of you remember the one about the teenager who skipped the meeting and decided to get into a car with his worldly friends and they worldly guys decided to rob a store and the jw didn't know they were going to do so but he was arrested simply for being with them?.

scratchme1010

My favorite was in a congregation I visited in the Dominican Republic where the CO (happened to be visiting that week) said that there were two sisters that became lesbians because they decided to watch Mexican Novelas together.

¡Arriba!

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Are JWs "mind trained" to be habitual liars?

by nonjwspouse in

i don't mean overly obvious, or otherwise meaning to cause harm, but taught to lie for the purpose of avoidance.

this type of lying can be pervasive in areas of life that are not just to avoid discussions with people who have questions about the jw, etc.

my husband will lie/be deceitful about the silliest, simple things.

scratchme1010

Are JWs "mind trained" to be habitual liars?

They are mind trained, but I don't think that it's for that sole purpose. They are conditioned to accept, believe and therefore, do as the WT sees the suits their purpose. If that purpose is lying, then they will lie. Otherwise, they won't.

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Does Christianity Promote Self Hatred?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think that christianity's teachings pose a very unproductive world view and are a danger to our survival.

their teachings that man is sinful and worthy of death and in need of a savior to rescue him and free him of his sinful tendencies or else feel the wrath of god.

these things that condemn man as sinful are his own powerful drives given to him at conception which he now must deny due to indoctrination and consign to his shadow(jungian).

scratchme1010

Does Christianity Promote Self Hatred?

Yes.