1. You start making friends outside the congregation
2. You start dating people outside the congregation
3. You start feeling normal and happy for doing 1 and 2
4. You no longer feel bad for feeling good by doing 1, 2 and 3
you start listening to music deemed "unsuitable for christians".
you pretend to knock on the doors.
you explain a jw teaching to someone and realize how ridiculous it sounds.
1. You start making friends outside the congregation
2. You start dating people outside the congregation
3. You start feeling normal and happy for doing 1 and 2
4. You no longer feel bad for feeling good by doing 1, 2 and 3
its been awhile since i've commented but i come by and read your posts about once a week.
so why do i need a pep talk ?
after almost 2 years into my fade these bastards won't give it a rest constant hang ups on my answering machine and today for the first time in about 6 months they come to my apartment complex but thankfully couldn't get in they did keep buzzing me so they were here looking for me.
After almost 2 years into my fade these bastards won't give it a rest constant hang ups on my answering machine and today for the first time in about 6 months they come to my apartment complex but thankfully couldn't get in they did keep buzzing me so they were here looking for me.
Hello. Not sure if I can give you a pep talk, but I do feel the duty (?) to tell you is not just disappearing from them. They are not going to just let you leave quietly. It's a cult and as such, they always want to have the last word and the last saying, and if not, they are not just going to let you leave in a graceful manner.
Part of fading involves preparing for this type of unsavory, obnoxious situations where you will have to set boundaries with them, but you are in a place where you have strength and/or support (or whatever else you need) to be able to send them to hell if you need to, sue them if you can/want, or whatever interaction you need to have in order for them to respect your wishes of not being involved with them.
If it's in your best interest to play their game, I don't see why not. However, there will be other family reunions and other events where you will finally have to face the fact that they will know.
Prepare for that event, when you will have to come clean to your family. Don't disappear and then have to deal with situations like this. Fading is NOT just disappearing.
made the mistake of opening the front door today...i was expecting someone to service our central heating...oh dear, it was a sister instead :(.
she tells me jehovah misses me.
it seems god only sees me if i go to the meetings.
I am here...on the earth...still praying and still believing in God...but because I don't turn up at a hall twice a week, God doesn't see me. It's only now that I am out I see how utterly absurd some of the things they say are.
I think that that's what really matters, your own spirituality and your own relationship with your God. No one is authorized to mess and intervene with that without your permission.
The rest is just more of their own nonsense.
as a ttatt paladin, this was actually a declaration of war.
but, i will let the guy slide this time!.
anyway, i read the first part of it, but for selfish reasons.
I never left the Jehovah that I know, I left the Jehovah I was fooled by JWs about.
That's amazing that you have such clarity. Hopefully they don't get pushier so you need to get the police involved. Chances are that they can't care less about you or your well being; they just want to have the last word.
i am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
dubstepped:
Oh, and what's your current line of work that you're getting a Master's to help advance?
My current work is in the medical industry (those who know me will be opening their eyes!). No, I'm not clinical staff, I'm in the Administration Areas of one of the top 3 Schools of Medicine in USA. We're opening a brand new hospital in NYC, with all the bells and whistles and the latest technologies, including robots to carry medication and sheets for patients.
My current Masters is in Media for Education. Finally decided to legitimize education and training as part of my career(s), as ever since I had my first job I've always had to teach something or train somebody on something.
Honestly, to this day I have never been able to take one path in my career; it's always been Education, Technology and some kind of social/community work. All three have always gone hand-by-hand, every job I've had has always had element of the three.
hey guys, please ignore the post about rules about forgiving a cheating spouse, for some weird reason, it keeps reposting it, and i don’t know how to delete it or even if you can.
and i didn’t mean to offend anyone with it.
i’ve forgiven someone who has cheated on me, but choose not to stay with them.
I’ve forgiven someone who has cheated on me, but choose not to stay with them. Everyone is different.
Good. I mean, not good that you were cheated on.
what do you think would happen if i verbally refuse to report my time?
it's been several months since i turned in my time and i think the elder got tired of asking me lol.
frankly, i think it's stupid that jws are required to do this.
What do you think would happen if I verbally refuse to report my time?
I know! I know! I know! You will... verbally refuse to report your time!
... and this time it was mine.. mrs. eden decided to part ways and leave home, and so our 25 year long partnership is now dissolving.
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just another colateral damage in a long list of colateral damages from being raised in the "truth".
Just another colateral damage in a long list of colateral damages from being raised in the "truth".
Sorry to hear. Let the healing begin.
my name is alex bogdanov.
i am the author of if only.
it was published a month ago.
I have a wife, half of her family are JW and the other half are not. I have a 2 year old son. And I am happy that my child won’t grow up amongst JW. Jehovah’s Witnesses are no different to other world religions with its dogmas and destructive philosophy.
Thanks for sharing (an clarifying your identity, I guess). You have a book, you have a wife and children and a great future ahead. I think that at this point whatever petty crap the JWs want to do to you is secondary.
When I left and started college i was surrounded by a lot of JWs wanting to see me fail. Their lack of support was my motivation and the best indicator that I was doing the right thing and that my life is in the right path.
Let their crap be your motivation too. You're not them, not like them and they resent it.
i am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
Everything I do has to have a purpose. I've never been a "just to pay the bills" guy.
When I look at my career path(s), and when I know what awaited me as a JW had I stayed there, and also the path of my JW siblings (most of them), I feel like a spoiled brat.
First, I come from poverty. My parents had nothing and built what they had from the ground up. Their level of education wasn't past 4th grade.
I never worked for minimum wage, from my very first job I worked in/used high tech, had my first PC in 1985 and my first cell phone in 1987 (I call myself "the original millennial"). Without finishing college I was the vice president, assistant to the CEO of an Engineering technology company, giving training about CAD to the same Engineers that were still teaching me at night in college.
Sent Engineering to hell since my decision to be in that field was one I made at 13, thinking of what I wanted to be and the reasons for it, and since I've had different career paths in different industries.
Most of my career paths and choices have been very rewarding in different ways. I've worked in:
The nonprofit sector in various aspects, from being in boards, to case management, to outreach, to philanthropy, to teaching, to fundraising, to protesting by showing myself and my coworkers naked in the White House.
Education and training, my presentation skills acquired as a JW came very handy at the time of working in training and education, and my technology background has given me a great career in education technology.
Doing volunteer work I have provided services, computer equipment, negotiation skills to acquire properties, relationship building for fundraising, and thinking out of the box to start programs and offer help to several neglected underserved communities.
In technology itself, I had several jobs in tech support, being smart enough to make the move out of that field before the gazillions of programmers and network support engineers became obsolete by the ever changing nature of the IT beast.
Today I'm working on my second Masters Degree, and started putting things together to start doing independent work in my current line of work.
The pros are all the rewards that come from being successful and good at what I do. The cons are the same cons of everything else in my life. I've done it all with support of random, casual or accidental people and things that happen. Because of my upbringing, I don't have strong roots anywhere. Been with my now husband for 15 years, married 10 years this September, and that's the most time I've ever been part of a community, a family, anything.
There's a con that turned into a pro. I didn't have the remotest idea of anything related to career management, job search, career paths, didn't know that careers are to be managed and the role of relationships in your career advancement. I learned it all the very hard way. Burned a few bridges behind me, and did quite a few unprofessional (not illegal, nor unethical) things. Later it turned to be a pro because I was able to design a complete curriculum on job search and job readiness, so good that it became a standard in the city where I created it. I designed keeping in mind all the things that I went through that (to my surprise) they don't teach anywhere.
All my accomplishments have come directly as a result of my strength, no handouts, no shortcuts. However, not a lot of love either.