i've been reading the book recommended by zing "soul snatchers, the mechanics of cults" (bought a used copy online) and one of the things mentioned was how cults police all aspects of their members' lives.
so it got me to wondering, when did the practice of three men (elders) having a hearing (or should we say trial) and passing judgment on a member start?
did the early bible students do this?
washtowel 1961 february question from readers: a few lines which also proves they were in place in 1961:
." For his moral uncleanness, of which his hypocritical, unloving course shows he has not repented, he must be disfellowshiped from the Christian congregation on the basis of the evidence laid before the congregation’s judicial committee."
Zing
i've been reading the book recommended by zing "soul snatchers, the mechanics of cults" (bought a used copy online) and one of the things mentioned was how cults police all aspects of their members' lives.
so it got me to wondering, when did the practice of three men (elders) having a hearing (or should we say trial) and passing judgment on a member start?
did the early bible students do this?
Good question Spiral,
As far as I can go with this, I can only say that this was already in place in 1961 (I was not even born then).coz the shepherding/fleece the flock book of 1961 talks about this as if it is already in place. So it goes back as far as 1961.
Zing
the watchtower—study edition | march 2020. love and appreciation for jehovah lead to baptism.
( this picture is not from the article!
i found it online to add a little color to the paragraph).
The Ethiopian eunuch] had apparently left the religion of his birth
These jdumbs will say anything that suits their twisted teaching/manipulations just by using info they may not be true.
1 Apparently=it may not be true that they are gods channel on earth.
2.Apparently =it may not be true that they have the truth.
3.Apparently=-it may not be true that they do not shun
4.Apparently=it may not be true that there are no CSA cases around the world against them.
You get the gist!(Not a native english speaker so apologies if I got this wrong)
Zing
it can be beautiful landscape, etc... share it with us!
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This pic is close to my heart coz it touches me in so many ways.First off when I became pomo it says to me that my world as I see it from then on (me sitting on the bench looking out at the world) was blank,pure n white like a painters easel.Then on whatever I do, say and see should be my own colors and paints on my world not even a spot of anything to do with the jdumb mentality. This helped me remain positive.
Zing
the cult is so screwed up its appalling!first thing this morning and this shitty text is what i get for the start of the new year.
"the 20th century ended on 31st of december 2000 at 23:59:59 +1 second so technically, yes, the next decade according to that would begin next year.
but the twenties started to day.i hope these are the roaring twenties!
This person is a hard nut to crack! Wondering how to wake him?? Perhaps he is mentally diseased with his obsession of everything bad, destructive and negative.
Zing
hope you are all well,.
i was wondering within the organisation if there are any guidelines or grounds for nullifying a baptism.
see i grew up a jehovah's witness and was baptised at age 13, i didn't get baptised for the right reasons, i felt pressured to because my friends were getting baptised at the same time.
invalidating your baptism is a hard sell and difficult to prove. Even if you can prove that you were not technically valid for baptism at the time, I've seen the borg argue that your living as one baptised afterward proves that it was valid. I've also seen them pull out the "it was directed by Holy spirit so it must have been valid" card as well.They will talk from both sides of their... just to not let you off their clutches/power trip.
I have never heard of anyone credible successfully getting their baptism deemed invalid.
Sorry that you are in such a situation.
Zing
the cult is so screwed up its appalling!first thing this morning and this shitty text is what i get for the start of the new year.
"the 20th century ended on 31st of december 2000 at 23:59:59 +1 second so technically, yes, the next decade according to that would begin next year.
but the twenties started to day.i hope these are the roaring twenties!
The Cult is So Screwed Up Its Appalling!
First thing this morning and this shitty text is what I get for the start of the new year."The 20th century ended on 31st of December 2000 at 23:59:59 +1 second So technically, yes, the next decade according to that would begin next year. But the twenties started to day.I hope these are the roaring twenties! Let's have lots of troubled seas, lots of moral decline (yes, there's still room for more debasement), lets have a big economic crisis in 2029, a fascist global takeover in 2033 and a big war in 2039 - the war to end all wars :)Any earlier would be fine, too."
For all of you have good , wonderful, richly prosperous year.Hope all of you reach where you want to be this year.Zing
i was just wondering this morning about all the kingdom halls and branches being sold to "babylon the great" and other businesses.
every single kingdom hall and bethel branch that has been sold was "dedicated to jehovah" by the watchtower corporation.
a special meeting with a guest speaker gives a talk and then offers a prayer dedicating the building to yhwh.
The Bible say God does not dwell in handmade temples so why would anyone believe Khalls are dedicated place of worship/temple of god??
Say Anything to build their real estate and then sell it by saying anything ! This is how s### works.
Zing
after reading this news perhaps the gb(piss be upon them) might cook up an extra donation requirement for armed bros at the khalls; but we all know where most of the money will end up!.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2019/12/29/2-dead-1-in-critical-condition-after-reported-shooting-at-church-in-white-settlement/.
what are your thoughts.. zing.
Here you go Punkofnice, part of the news:
"Gunman kills 2 at White Settlement church before 2 members fatally shoot him.
Law enforcement officials credited members of the church’s security team for ending the attack quickly.
Updated at 7 a.m. Dec. 30: Revised to include additional information about one of the victims.
A gunman killed two people during a Sunday morning service at a church in White Settlement before members of the congregation fatally shot him, authorities say.
Police in White Settlement, about eight miles west of Fort Worth, were called before 11 a.m. to the West Freeway Church of Christ at 1900 South Las Vegas Trail after two members who are part of the church’s security team opened fire on the gunman.
MedStar spokeswoman Macara Trusty soon reported that the gunman and one of his victims had died at a hospital. The second victim was resuscitated after going into cardiac arrest on the way to a hospital, but authorities announced at an evening news conference that the person died later."
Zing
after reading this news perhaps the gb(piss be upon them) might cook up an extra donation requirement for armed bros at the khalls; but we all know where most of the money will end up!.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2019/12/29/2-dead-1-in-critical-condition-after-reported-shooting-at-church-in-white-settlement/.
what are your thoughts.. zing.
I know the Bible says somewhere those who pick up the sword will die by the sword n all. but have faith in the GB to come up with new light on this matter .If they can fleece the flock they will come up with something.Give it a few years .
Zing
