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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  Alan, an answer to your last post to me will be in another thread very shortly. ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=26920&site=3)

  Marvin, I hope your intentions are as good as your words.
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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  Hello AlanF.

  you said:

  This is a classic copout. It is a smear by generalization. I've watched your posts for several go-arounds and it's clear that copping out is your method of replying. If you haven't enough courage of your convictions, or enough intelligence, to give a clear answer to a clear question, then you have no business posting here.

  Thank you for that. I am glad you have joined in. Now maybe we can get some actual intellectual discussion here instead of ducks and dodges from those who would rather keep their precious "systems" in place. Unfortunately, as you have done quite a bit lately, you question the intelligence of a poster who you happen to disagree with. While I find this practice to be somewhat distasteful from a man of your stature, it is a free board and I know that all opinions are welcome.

  The issues of this thread are far more complicated than some of the posters seem to think. I don't believe that most posters have done any real research for themselves into exactly what the laws of various States say. Until they do, they also have no business posting.

  I should point out that I know for a fact that most of those posting have nothing but contempt for Watchtower policies on child abuse, have the utmost of concern to see that abused children are cared for properly, and, amazingly, are very close to being on the same wavelength. I am greatly saddened by what I see here, and disappointed as well.

  I understand reasonably well the arguments that are being made, but it is also clear to me that some posters are making much clearer arguments than others. I look at some of the sidestepping and wonder if I haven't wandered into a JW -- ex-JW debate forum by mistake.

  I agree wholeheartedly. In Marvin's previous posts I had pegged him as an JW opposer, now he seems to be something different. It saddens me that people using his logic would allow molesters to continue doing their "dirty deeds".

  BTW AlanF, I am glad, that once again, you are the end-all and be-all of what thread topics should be. Thank you for keeping us posted.
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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  Theocratic War Strategy is the WTS' way of justifying its leaders' ability to lie when it pleases them. This has nothing at all to do with whether there is some problem created over other people voicing what they feel a position should be in a given circumstance. If we accept your idea without some evidence of relevance to this discussion then we might just as well pack our bags and refuse to talk about anything! I'm sorry, your offering here is nothing but a red herring.

  There are those who read these threads containging answers to your questions that can use the information that SL divulges here to convince other witnesses to disregard him, and you KNOW it Marvin. What seem to be honest questions from you could be fuel to burn SL's cause later. Once again you posture yourself as a teacher and completely ignore the issues, albeit quite deliberately.

  As I said before, call SL up and tell us what he won't say. Your divulgence to this forum regarding the topic at hand will put the matter in the public spotlite as you wish it to be. Until you do so your attempts self-justification are falling on deaf ears as far as I am concerned.

  As for contacting Bill in person by telephone, don't you see a correlation between my questions about conditions of personal confidentiality and doing that very thing? If he is unwilling to go on record about his position on agreeing up front about confidentiality on issues as it relates to the very cause he says he stands for, how and why should I trust what he would do with a voice discussion where it is far easier to make trouble for someone out of spite or ignorance?! I cannot trust a man that refuses to explain publicly what he wants people to support publicly! Otherwise, as I have already explained to exhaustion, this discussion belongs in public, and that's where I will keep my part of it.

  And logically, since Marvin doesn't see a reason to trust this man, neither should anyone else? Is that right? Are you finally admitting that your only modus operndi is the public discrediting of SL?

  By the way, if you decide to actually give evidence of your public accusation that I've twisted something Bill said, I am still waiting to see it.

  All you have to do Marvin, is read what you have written throughout most of this thread. Of course, you know that already.
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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  Marvin,

  I had a detailed post for you that was just lost *GRRRRR*. Here is a summary of what I was writing...

  SL has stated what he considers the issues to be. Just because you don't understand SL's position doesn't mean that others do not. I also think your idea of 'all information publicly for the good of the cause' is itsself absurd when part of your audience uses "theocratic warfare strategy" on a daily basis.

  You have made it painfully obvious that you do not wish to resolve this matter to your own satisfaction, you instead wish to put SL on the spot, as it were, knowing FULL WELL who your audience is.

  Now, before you go bantering on about "where's the proof, where's the proof", or trying to educate me on what a proper debate is, why don't you contact BB directly and let us know what he says. You tell us what he won't say here.
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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  Marvin,

  You said:

  Again, this would only be true if I were asking Bill to comment about an actual case of child abuse. The day has not yet come in the USA where expressing a conviction about "what should be" endangers a person's cause, unless the cause is illegal. Then it might be a problem.

  You forget that not only is SL dealing with the legalities of the law of the land, he is also dealing with "theocratic legalities" of those whom he is trying to protect, on the terms of the WT's existance as a religious entity. (We are talking about people being victimized because they believe that something is above the law of the land, and who constantly weigh arguments based on perceived motives). Again and again SL is telling people "what should be", Yet people like you seem intent on twisting his words. I personally do not blame him for wanting to keep his "trap shut", otherwise people like you would deter others from helping his cause.
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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  Marvin wrote,

  Your objection seems to indicate a belief that it is maybe better to hide what should be done in cases like I posed until it can be revealed in a courtroom. If that is your meaning, that premise would be hard for me to swallow. But if you feel you could prove such a premise then I'm all ears.

  Any perceived "premise" by me on your part is irrelevant. You could clear *ALL* of this up by talking to SL privately, yet you continue to persist that he answer pointed questions publicly. Unfortnately, unbeknownst (perhaps deliberately?) by you, answering your questions publicly can have a profound impact on legalities later. Fortunately for SL this is pure speculation on my part, and may or may not be why he answers your questions in the manner in which he does. (As I do not officially "speak" for him).

  Bill doesn't ask potential supporters to give ambivalent support so he shouldn't give ambivalent answers to concerns that are important to everyone who cares.

  When "who cares" can be someone trying to protect the image of their religion rather than protect the victims of molestation, ambivalence can be a powerful tool.
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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  Marvin says:

  Hello, ThatSucks
  As a point of logic, when a person is presented with a legitimate bifurcation then answering with "Neither" is saying "I will not answer the question." This is why my conclusion that Bill does not what to make his position clear.

  I understand your feelings in this matter (despite your superior posturing). Unfortunately, Bill may not want to "answer the question" because as others have said, the issue is not a binary one, but one of variables.

  The questions I posed to Bill are legitimate because they represent real life happenings. For a fact that are victims (children and adults) of child abuse who want help but will not accept it from anyone who would automatically report the incident without explicit permission from them, the victim. My question calls for a "black or white" answer because in real life the victim has presented a "black or white" request: either you will help me without reporting or you will report regardless of my feelings--which is it?

  SL has answered many of your questions out of his own mouth. Re-read is answers above and maybe you will see what I mean. Take a look at waiting's post above, there are more ways to interpret SL's words than just hers.

  Understanding requires logical analysis together with asking and answering specific questions of concern.

  This attempt at self-justification is duely ignored.

  Bill's response was no more than a reply. It was not an answer.

  I beg to differ. Bill wasn't kidding when he said "thinking" ones. Remember, the WT is a slippery snake. Why would he give their lawyers any fuel for fire? I think he has answered your questions adequately, you just need to "read between the lines". That is, unless you have a specific reason for not doing so, other than ignorance.
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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  Marvin,

  When you ask people the following type of question:

  "are you going to take option #1, or option #2?"

  and they reply:

  "NEITHER"

  Then they ARE answering your question, whether you like it or not. What it means is that the limiting scope of your questions do not fit the subject of the one answering. He said, in all precision... NEITHER. Your knit-pickeyness is making you appear to have a vandetta (sp!) again SL, rather you intend for it to or not.
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  MANDATORY Reporting of Child Abuse

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  it appears there are a few misconceptions when it comes to the reporting of child abuse.

  the federal law child abuse prevention and treatment act (capta)(jan. 1996 version), 42 u.s.c.

  failure to report can result in civil liability.

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  Right on morrisamb!

  It would be nice to see people's egos go beyond trying to come out on top on a silly debate and actually address real issues.
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  The biggest barefaced lie I ever heard!!

  by sleepy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what an absolute barefaced lie!!.

  i just looked up a watchtower about "this generation".. i remember studying this, and falling for it!did you?.

  w95 11/1 20 a time to keep awake.

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  Hey expatbrit, good call. I've never thought of it like that.