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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

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Here's another place the Watchtower twists scripture: Revelation 1:16 "And he had in his right hand seven stars"

The Watchtower says the stars are the elders in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses. (The WTBTS likes to make stuff up to get people to worship them! Yuck!)

Here is what Jesus actually told John: "As for the sacred secret of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars mean the angels of the seven congregations" (Revelation 1:20)

The stars mean the angels. Actual angels, not people messengers. At other places it says "into these things angels are desiring to peer." Angels are interested in the sacred secret too.

The "seven congregations" aren't just the KHs of the WTBTS organization known as "Jehovah's Witnesses".

"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst." (Matthew 18:20)

Jesus is the head of the congregation. "Jehovah knows those who belong to him." When the great tribulation begins, Jesus will send his angels to gather the faithful ones in true worship from wherever they are found and make clear those Pharisaical religious leader fakers who are not approved. When it says illustratively of the religious fakers that "their weeping and gnashing will be in the fiery furnace" it implies they will lose their "privileged" status in their respective religious institutions when those religious institutions are destroyed. They will still be alive enough to "weep" and "gnash their teeth" about losing their esteemed statuses.

There are true Christians in many places, and we are one family when we follow Christ, it's just some of the false doctrines (the leaven) have to be cleared out. Jesus will clear them out at the appointed time, and we will be united in spirit and truth.

Here is what the angels of the congregation will do:

"The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be. At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen." (Matthew 13:41-43)

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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Many of the first, second, third century Christians also read documents such as the Didache and the Shepherd of Hermas and other non-canonical works sullied by either false stories or Pharisaical traditions of men, just like today many JWs read the "Organized to Do God's Will" book or "Shepherd the Flock of God" book and consider it to have equal weight to God's Word. Jesus said to beware the leaven of the scribes and Pharisees, and we are wise to continue following that counsel today.

Jesus did a lot of things during the days since his resurrection.

The context of 1 Peter 3:18-20...

"For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah’s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water."

Jesus was obedient to God to the point of death. Jesus could have misused his authority, misused his power the same way the the disobedient angels did by taking advantage of the flesh of others for selfish gratification, but Jesus didn't do that. Jesus was obedient. Noah was also obedient. Noah built the ark, doing the work God assigned him. He was figuratively "resurrected" to new life by means of going to figurative "death" in the ark and then coming out of the water again at God's appointed time. When Jesus "preached to the spirits in prison" after his death and resurrection, it was Jesus' faithful example to death that proved those disobedient angels could have maintained their integrity under their much easier circumstances during their assignments back before Noah's time. The angels who were assigned to take care of humans didn't have to abuse their authority and sexually assault those in their care. They didn't have to go on power trips and demand to be worshipped. Jesus maintained his integrity under more tempting and difficult circumstances. Those wicked angels had no excuse for what they did. Jesus' faithfulness to death sealed the deal for the judgment on those wicked angels, and their condemnation is irrefutable.

The context of 1 Peter 3:19 as well as 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 6 makes clear that Peter and Jude were emphasizing we need to be obedient to God and that the adverse judgment on the incorrigibly wicked is deserved.

Soon Jesus will execute judgment on those in the religious institutions who follow the lead of the wicked angels by misusing their authority in order to abuse the sheep in their care and get worship for themselves instead of God. Jude said it...

"Too bad for them, for they have followed the path of Cain and have rushed into the erroneous course of Baʹlaam for reward, and they have perished in the rebellious talk of Korʹah! These are the rocks hidden below water at your love feasts while they feast with you, shepherds who feed themselves without fear; waterless clouds carried here and there by the wind; fruitless trees in late autumn, having died twice and having been uprooted; wild waves of the sea that cast up the foam of their own shame; stars with no set course, for which the blackest darkness stands reserved forever."

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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Luke 23:43

Jesus died. He was asleep in death for a few days. The evildoer next to him died. That evildoer is still asleep in death. Jehovah resurrected Jesus as a spirit creature. Jesus materialized a body and a bunch of people saw him. Jesus ate with people. Then he went to heaven and he'll come back in the same way. People will see him and he'll be able to hang out and eat with people. When the evildoer is resurrected to the earthly paradise, Jesus will hang out with him too. Not everybody will live in heaven, but a person doesn't have to live in heaven to hang out with Jesus. Jesus can go where he wants and hang out with who he wants wherever he wants. He's Jesus.

"Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise."

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

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@Person

You are right, there is no need to argue.🥰 Jesus taught us to pray to the Father.

During the Millennial Reign, when Jesus visibly walks on the earth again in a materialized form, then more people will be comfortable talking to him.☺️(Luke 22:14-18;23:43)

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United Nations Watchtower Letter NGO Paul Hoeffel 2004 for view or download on un.org website

by EasyPrompt in

direct link: https://www.un.org/en/civil-society/watchtowerletter.

also directions to page this way:.

un.org>english>get involved>.

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“Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy place (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains..."

The first century Jews considered Jerusalem and the temple to be "a holy place" even though Jesus said it was a cave of robbers. The Jews of that time considered themselves to be God's Name People and yet Jesus said as a group those taking the lead in Jerusalem were full of every bad thing.

"Jehovah's Witnesses" consider "Bethel" to be "a holy place" (as the Caleb and Sophia song goes: "Bethel means the House of God...we call it Bethel because this place is His...") "Jehovah's Witnesses" consider themselves to be God's Name People. "The disgusting thing causing desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet" is the UN. Bethel/WTBTS have had dealings with the UN for quite a while now.

If I were at Bethel and I knew about the UN thing, I'd get out of there while the gettin's good. The first century Christians had a few years to get out of Jerusalem after they saw the Romans "standing in a holy place". It's been years the UN/WTBTS fornication has been exposed. Can't be much longer before Jehovah allows the Watchtower to be destroyed by the nations..."for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again."

"...by no means will a stone be left here upon a stone and not be thrown down..."

When Jehovah made an accounting with those who called themselves "His Name People" in the past, He allowed the attack by the nations to start with those who claimed to represent Jehovah, who claimed to be taking the lead...""You should start from my sanctuary.” So they started with the elders who were in front of the house." (Ezekiel 9:6) Jehovah hasn't changed. Jehovah never "sanctified" the Bethel commune system, but it will be similar for Bethel to what Solomon said in the past...

"But if you turn away and forsake my statutes and my commandments that I have put before you and you go and serve other gods and bow down to them, I will uproot Israel from my land that I have given them, and this house that I have sanctified for my name I will cast out of my sight, and I will make it an object of scorn and a cause for ridicule among all the peoples. And this house will become heaps of ruins. Everyone passing by it will stare in amazement and will say, ‘Why did Jehovah do that to this land and this house?’ Then they will say, ‘It was because they abandoned Jehovah the God of their forefathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt, and they embraced other gods and bowed down to them and served them. That is why he brought all this calamity on them." (2 Chronicles 7:19-22)

I wouldn't want to be at Bethel when the UN attack on religious institutions starts. Those guys at WTBTS have caused more reproach on Jehovah's name than anybody else, and when Jesus takes the throne, he'll make it known that Jehovah doesn't approve of WTBTS's disgusting doctrines regarding disfellowshipping and GB/FDS worship and 1914 and other things. If I was at Bethel, I'd get out today..."leave behind even your outer garment". Jehovah is our mountain-like refuge, and Jesus. "Flee to the mountains." (Zechariah 14)

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

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@Person... I know you are there, and I love you. Am I saying a prayer to you when I say that? (Nope.🙂) You are "invisible" to me as far as I can't see you with my physical eyes right now. But I know you are there. If I tell you I love you, am I saying a prayer to you? I am not saying a prayer to you. I know you can "hear" me via what I am typing, and I am not ashamed to talk to you, just like I am not ashamed to talk to Jesus. I know you can hear me, and I know he can hear me too. He is not "answering back" with words that we can hear at this time, but that doesn't mean we can't talk to him. Talking to someone is not prayer. I can talk to you without worshipping you. I can talk to Jesus without worshipping him. Just because we can't hear Jesus when he speaks or just because we can't see him right now doesn't mean he isn't listening or that it is wrong to talk to him.

"Listen, you who are deaf;

Look and see, you who are blind.

Who is blind except my servant,

So deaf as the messenger I send?

Who is so blind as the one rewarded,

So blind as the servant of Jehovah?" (Isaiah 42:8,9)

We are "deaf" in so many ways, but that doesn't mean Jesus and Jehovah are deaf. We are "blind" in so many ways, but that doesn't mean Jehovah and Jesus can't see.

"He does great and unsearchable things,

Wonderful things that cannot be counted.

He passes by me, and I cannot see him;

He moves past me, but I do not discern him." (Job 9:10,11)

They can hear when we speak. They know whether we are praying or just talking.

"The One who made the ear, can he not hear?

The One who formed the eye, can he not see?" (Psalm 94:9)

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

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He said he'd be with us all the days. After his resurrection, at times he was in the room with them and they didn't realize it until after he materialized. He died for us and he loves us. It's not wrong to talk to him. He can hear and he has a heart. (The WTBTS is always trying to cause divisions.)

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Where can old publications be downloaded?

by MattFriend in

hi folks:.

sorry if this is not the correct sub-forum to ask this.

i would like to download some of the old jw books (to compare doctrinal changes over time, etc.).

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Let the light of truth shine from the tops of the mountains!😁

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

EasyPrompt

Hi, @Person🙂...

Prayer is a form of worship. Stephen and John weren't "praying to" or "worshipping" Jesus. They were just talking to him, just like Mary talked to Gabriel when he showed up and when other faithful ones in the past talked to spirit creatures who showed up.

Jesus talked to the angels who visited him in the wilderness to minister to him and in the garden to comfort him. Jesus also talked to Satan the wicked spirit creature ("Go away, Satan!") Spiritism is clearly condemned, but it doesn't say anywhere in the Bible "don't talk to spirit creatures".

Jesus could read hearts when on earth, how much more so he is aware if someone is talking to him now. He told us how to pray. He told us to pray to the Father Jehovah, so we don't pray to Jesus. But there is no rule in the Bible that says you can't say "I know you are there, Jesus, and I love you."

Jesus said whatever we pray to Jehovah for, Jesus will do it, when we ask in Jesus' name. We don't have to end every single prayer with a repeated by rote "in Jesus name, Amen." That's not what Jesus taught when the disciples asked him how to pray. If you are thanking Jehovah or praising Jehovah in prayer, you don't have to tack on some kind of memorized phrase at the end. Jesus just said if we are making a request, we can show we recognize Jesus' authority and God-given role to Jehovah's glory when we include in that request the acknowledgement that it is through Jesus the request will be filled.

We might say something like, "please, Jehovah, let Jesus be king now and bring your Kingdom, and please through Jesus make provision for us today. And thank you for the lovely songbirds and the rain today, Amen." Or whatever similar thing, you know what I mean - Jesus said not to have "memorized" prayers and the way some JWs tack on that "in-Jesus-name-Amen" thing has become a sort of "memorized" addition rather than an expression of faith in God's chosen one.

Hi, @Sea Breeze🙂...

Where in the Bible does it say not to talk to angels?

(The "good" angels aren't going around appearing and talking to anybody right now anyways, and it's not smart to talk to God's enemies the wicked angels, but I'm just saying when anybody at the Watchtower made that "rule" about "not supposed to talk to spirits at all" they don't have any scriptures to back it up. The Bible says not to do spiritism, which is different. Paul, Stephen, and John were not doing spiritism when they talked to Jesus in his spirit form. Mary was not doing spiritism when she talked to Gabriel, etc. During the great tribulation, at a certain point there will be good spirit creatures appearing here and it will definitely be advisable to talk to them. When the anointed are resurrected and gathered by the angels, they will be visible just like Jesus was visible and talked to people. Jehovah doesn't do resurrections in the dark. He does them where they will bring Him glory, in the light. "And every eye will see him...")

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United Nations Watchtower Letter NGO Paul Hoeffel 2004 for view or download on un.org website

by EasyPrompt in

direct link: https://www.un.org/en/civil-society/watchtowerletter.

also directions to page this way:.

un.org>english>get involved>.

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Direct link: https://www.un.org/en/civil-society/watchtowerletter

Also directions to page this way:

un.org>English>Get Involved>

(then you have to scroll down a bit to under the section "Partner With Us" and then...)

>Civil Society>

(then you have to scroll down a bit more to the section "Association with the UN Department of Global Communications" and underneath it...)

>Apply for Association with DGC>About Us>Useful Links>

(then you have to scroll to the bottom of the list under "Essential Information and Resources about the UN"...)

>Watchtower Bible and Tract Society association With DPI