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Were can you find Jesus' witnesses?

by Kosonen in

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in the revelation book it talks about jesus' witnesses.

were are true witnesses of jesus, not those who teach that jesus is the almighty god, but really true witnesses of jesus.. this is what the revelation book ways about witnesses of jesus:.

19:10 ..... brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning jesus.

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Good job, Kosonen🙂 Jesus must be so proud of the love and zeal you show.💖

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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Air is made up of gases. When these gases heat and cool over the land and water near the ocean, it forms a sea breeze. A sea breeze is full of gas.

Sea Breeze, I have no idea what you are talking about - I said nothing about Jesus body and gas. I quoted Ecclesiastes 9:10 about there being no work in the Grave.

When Jesus resurrected the young man on a funeral bier, the young man raised up his body by sitting up. "With that he approached and touched the bier, and the bearers stood still. Then he said: “Young man, I say to you, get up!” And the dead man sat up..."

After Jesus resurrected Lazarus, then Lazarus raised up his body after being dead a few days when he walked out of the grave. "The man who had been dead came out..."

When Jesus resurrected the little girl, then she immediately raised herself up in response to Jesus' command: "Then, taking the hand of the child, he said to her: “Talʹi·tha cuʹmi,” which, when translated, means: “Little girl, I say to you, get up!” And immediately the girl rose and began walking..."

Jesus resurrected the people. Then they raised up their body and walked in obedience to Jesus' command.

Jehovah resurrected Jesus. Then Jesus raised up his new spirit body and did what Jehovah told him to do - materialize a human body so that he could talk to and hug and eat with the disciples before ascending to heaven.

"Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”"

To "raise up" a temple that's been torn down doesn't mean you have to use the same stones.

When the Babylonians tore down Solomon's temple, was the next temple rebuilt with the exact same stones? Did it look the same?

Sea Breeze, Jesus openly stated that he would be killed. In order to be considered "killed" he needed to be 100% dead.

"Jesus began explaining to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes and be killed, and on the third day be raised up. At this Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this happen to you at all.” But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”"

I do think it is bad to contradict Jesus.

"Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Really, what good will it do a man if he gains the whole world but loses his life? Or what will a man give in exchange for his life? For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior."

Sea Breeze, true Christians have to be willing to die 100% for Christ. We don't like to die, we don't want to die, but we have to be willing to die 100% when that time comes that we have to choose between being obedient to Christ and being obedient to men.

"And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me."

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Were can you find Jesus' witnesses?

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

in the revelation book it talks about jesus' witnesses.

were are true witnesses of jesus, not those who teach that jesus is the almighty god, but really true witnesses of jesus.. this is what the revelation book ways about witnesses of jesus:.

19:10 ..... brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning jesus.

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Revelation 11 shows that the "two witnesses" won't be identifiable by people in general until after the great tribulation begins.

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Were can you find Jesus' witnesses?

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

in the revelation book it talks about jesus' witnesses.

were are true witnesses of jesus, not those who teach that jesus is the almighty god, but really true witnesses of jesus.. this is what the revelation book ways about witnesses of jesus:.

19:10 ..... brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning jesus.

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Amen, RaymondFrantz!☺️💖

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Were can you find Jesus' witnesses?

by Kosonen in

jw
friends

in the revelation book it talks about jesus' witnesses.

were are true witnesses of jesus, not those who teach that jesus is the almighty god, but really true witnesses of jesus.. this is what the revelation book ways about witnesses of jesus:.

19:10 ..... brothers who have the work of witnessing concerning jesus.

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"Where can you find Jesus' witnesses?"

...You can find Jesus' witnesses scattered: "The hired man, who is not a shepherd and to whom the sheep do not belong, sees the wolf coming and abandons the sheep and flees—and the wolf snatches them and scatters them— because he is a hired man and does not care for the sheep."

...You can find Jesus' witnesses sprinkled among congregations of people who claim to follow Christ, which includes even congregations of various sectarian beliefs (like Jehovah's Witnesses or other sects or other churches of Christendom): "By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet, saying: “What you see, write in a scroll and send it to the seven congregations: in Ephʹe·sus, in Smyrʹna, in Perʹga·mum, in Thy·a·tiʹra, in Sarʹdis, in Philadelphia, and in La·o·di·ceʹa."

...You can find Jesus' witnesses spread out over different parts of the earth, some isolated from other Christians: "And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity." (Matthew 24:31)

...Jesus' witnesses will soon be more easily identified when the religious institutions and Pharisaical elements are removed: "The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be. At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen."

Jesus knows where we all are, Kosonen.🙂 No worries!

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

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The progression of world powers leading up to the Kingdom with Jesus as King is depicted from slightly different angels at Daniel chapter 2, Daniel chapter 7, Daniel chapter 8, Daniel chapters 11-12, and Revelation chapter 19.

Here are some specific verses from those passages that mention the Kingdom with Jesus as King:

"“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." (Daniel 2:44)

"I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One. And to him there were given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed." (Daniel 7:13,14)

"He [the last world power leader] will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand." (Daniel 8:25)

"During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people." (Daniel 12:1)

"I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse. And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness. His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, and he is clothed with an outer garment stained with blood, and he is called by the name The Word of God. Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. And out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword with which to strike the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron. Moreover, he treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords." (Revelation 19:11-16)

When taken together, these parallel depictions of the Kingdom (and others in the scriptures) clearly show that Jesus is also known as Michael.

(Incidentally, the Watchtower completely overlooks these accounts where the timeline of the great tribulation is clearly laid out as the 3 1/2 years of the appointed times of the nations. Since the WTBT$ thinks the kingdom began in 1914, they completely miss the boat that "the appointed times of the nations" begins when religious institutions are attacked by the final world power the UN, which is made clear in those accounts in Daniel, Revelation, and the gospels.)

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Where Does Watchtower Doctrine Contradict Scripture?

by Vanderhoven7 in

here are some areas that i have found:.

not only is watchtower eschatology offbase, which is not critical, but so is watchtower soteriology … which is critical.

the bible says not to put trust in men who cannot save.

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Hi, @Vanderhoven

You already know how I feel about the GB/FDS people, lol...I do agree with you that many of the Watchtower teachings "shut up the Kingdom" in a very Pharisaical way. However, as far as the "Jesus is Michael" teaching, the Bible is very clear on that one.

God told the Israelites through Moses: "I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared. Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him." (Exodus 23:20-21)

Only Jesus has authority from God to pardon our transgressions. "...in order for you to know that the Son of man has authority to forgive sins on earth..." (Matthew 9:6; Mark 2:10; Luke 5:24)

God said to Moses: "Go now, lead the people to the place about which I have spoken to you. Look! My angel will go ahead of you..." (Exodus 32:34)

That chief angel was still "going ahead" of the nation when Moses died and is the same one mentioned by name in Jude...

"But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body..." (Jude 9)

That same angel was still with the nation in Joshua's time...

"I have come as prince of Jehovah’s army..." (Joshua 5:14)

And also in Daniel's time...

"During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people..." (Daniel 12:1)

"...Miʹcha·el, your prince." (Daniel 10:21)

Since Michael is called "your prince" he is also the same one as Shiloh.

"The scepter will not depart from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shiʹloh comes, and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong." (Genesis 49:10)

Shiloh is Jesus.

A few other verses are mentioned here in context...

(Galatians 4:14; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; Revelation 19:17)

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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@Rattigan🤣jokester - fish dip, haha!

I heard some cookies in Costa Rica are also called Tartarus. If you eat too many, you may have Tartarus on your teeth.😬

(No Tartarus in Paradise, either way.)

I don't know who Robert Bowman is either, but I am confident that Peter and Paul knew what they were talking about.

Ah, Rattigan☺️. I wonder if you're a lot like Nathanael...

"But Na·thanʹa·el said to him: “Can anything good come out of Nazʹa·reth?” Philip said to him: “Come and see.” Jesus saw Na·thanʹa·el coming toward him and said about him: “See, truly an Israelite in whom there is no deceit.”"

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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Hi, SeaBreeze...

In the garden, the snake told Eve that "when you're dead, you're not really dead."

Since that time, the "when you're dead, you're not really dead" theme has been prevalent in many religious teachings, including groups of people who weave that teaching in with some Bible teachings.

The Jews tried to weave it into what they believe and many Christians try to do the same today.

The Bible makes clear that when you're dead, you're dead.

"Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going." (Ecclesiastes 9:10)

Jesus went to the Grave, meaning he was dead.

He wasn't partially dead. He wasn't mostly dead. He wasn't slightly alive. He was all dead. (Even though it's a fun movie, "The Princess Bride" teaching about "mostly dead is still slightly alive" thing is a fairy tale.🙂)

Thus, while I don't agree with your conclusion in this matter, I do appreciate your generosity and willingness to share what is in your heart. You are very hospitable and I hope you continue to enjoy the blessing of having others pour out the same graciousness and respect to you as you pour out to others.💖

"Practice giving, and people will give to you. They will pour into your laps a fine measure, pressed down, shaken together, and overflowing. For with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you in return."

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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The context of Revelation 6:9-11 shows that the illustration is figurative. The four horsemen are figurative. Death and the Grave are figurative. The altar and souls scene is figurative. It's not literal.

First Corinthians 15 in context is talking about Christ's resurrection initially. Then Paul is explaining how the heavenly resurrection works.

Why did Paul focus on Christ's resurrection and not mention all the earlier resurrections recorded in the scriptures? Because Christ's resurrection was different. None of the other resurrections, either the ones by Elijah or Elisha or even by Jesus himself during his ministry on earth, were of a "new creation". Those other resurrections were of people back to life again in a human body. When Christ was resurrected, he was raised up by God in a spirit body. He materialized a human form in order to interact with his disciples, but he was not human anymore.

Paul was explaining this to the Christians in Corinth because they had the same eventuality to be a new creation. People prior to Jesus' resurrection did not have that same eventuality. The Bible shows humans are meant to live on the earth. There is no need to live in heaven, because Jehovah and Jesus are going to come here anyway. (Jesus' abode is heaven but he can come here whenever he wants, so can Jehovah.) The whole provision of 144,000 priests and kings to help restore things is a temporary arrangement just like the ancient priesthood was temporary. The "new creation" and "marriage of the Lamb" part will last, it is a way Jehovah can show the Devil and the demons and the faithful angels and humans that humans are not unloved or some lowly junk to throw away. (The Devil made all kinds of accusations in heaven. By taking some of the lowliest of the lowly humans and making them higher than angels, Jehovah shows that He is not partial, and that the youngest in His family are just as loved as the oldest.)

This guarantee and great love of God for all His faithful kids is to be expressed to all humans who want to embrace it, the sacred secret that God will be here on earth with all His kids. It's not necessary to be one of the 144,000 new creation in order to hang out with Jehovah and Jesus.

When Paul was talking about the "third heaven" that's what he meant. Peter helps explain it when he said that in Noah's day "the heavens were destroyed" (the first heavens) meaning the governments of that time. Peter said that soon again "the heavens will be destroyed by fire" (the second heavens) figuratively, when the governments are replaced by God's Kingdom government (which is the third heaven). (2 Peter 3:5-7) Sometimes the word "heaven" can be used figuratively to describe government. It's the Kingdom government that will help make the earth a paradise. Paul said he had a vision where he was "...caught away to the third heaven...caught away into paradise and heard words that cannot be spoken and that are not lawful for a man to say." (2 Corinthians 12:2-4) He was talking about the sacred secret. It wasn't the time to talk about it then, but now it is.

The sacred secret is that everybody who wants to can hang out with God. You don't have to have "the heavenly hope". He's coming here.

That's why it will be Paradise. Because God will be here.

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.”"

Jesus is the faithful witness. He said "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise."