Posts by EasyPrompt

Yeah, because "hell" or "heller" in the Bible is "the grave" and refers to the condition of being dead. "There is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going." (Ecclesiastes 9:10)

So people in "hell" or "Hades" or "the grave" are just asleep, and they can't warn anybody about anything.

The illustrations in Revelation and the gospels about the recycle bin and the trash dump are figurative.

If I dispose of something in the recycle bin, I can perhaps get it back.

If I dispose of something in the incinerator at the trash dump, not so much.

When Jesus disposes of the hypocritical religious institutions, those who are clergy/leaders in those institutions will weep and gnash their teeth because the means of their prominence/financial gain will be gone. It'll be "like hell" for them, in the "extremely difficult experience" sense of the word.

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

by aqwsed12345 in

the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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Right, that's why when Jesus said "Lazarus our friend has gone to sleep, but I am going there to awaken him..." and then "Jesus said plainly, "Lazarus has died," his words jive with what is written in Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Lazarus didn't say, "Aw, Jesus, why did you bring me back from heaven!" or "Yikes! Thanks, Jesus for bringing me back from that awful hell place!"

The only time in the scriptures anybody talks like that is when apostate King Saul went to visit the witch of Endor..."Then “Samuel” said to Saul: “Why have you disturbed me by having me brought up?”"

The "doctrine" of "life in hell" is not based on the Bible, either in the Old Testament or the New Testament.

Life can be hell. But neither Jesus nor God would ever keep someone alive for all eternity in a torture chamber. "God is Love."

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Jesus' language was extravagant? Really?

by BoogerMan in

w80 10/1 p. 25 after these “last days” god’s messianic kingdom!

- "when speaking of those final days of the jewish system of things, jesus said: “then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” reportedly, there were 97,000 jews inside jerusalem that survived the siege and desolation of their holy city and its temple built by king herod.

however, these were not the “chosen ones” on whose account that “great tribulation” was shortened.

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The Flood of Noah's day touched every corner of the earth.

The visions of Revelation included prophecies that talk about every nation, language, etc, also about how the "great city" has sway over all kings of the earth.

Revelation was written after the tribulation in Jerusalem.

The future tribulation will be just as extensive as the Flood of Noah's day.

"Perhaps the JW's view of the G.T. isn't as bad as they make it out to be/want it to be."

It isn't the "JW's view" that matters. It's what the Christ tells us that counts.

The disciples fell asleep before.

"He returned to the disciples and found them sleeping, and he said to Peter: “Could you not so much as keep on the watch for one hour with me? Keep on the watch and pray continually, so that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak.""

Now is not the time to be sleeping.

"But know one thing: If the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into. On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it."

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Jesus' language was extravagant? Really?

by BoogerMan in

w80 10/1 p. 25 after these “last days” god’s messianic kingdom!

- "when speaking of those final days of the jewish system of things, jesus said: “then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” reportedly, there were 97,000 jews inside jerusalem that survived the siege and desolation of their holy city and its temple built by king herod.

however, these were not the “chosen ones” on whose account that “great tribulation” was shortened.

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Matthew 24:29-31

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity."

Mark 13:24-27

"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling out of heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken.

And then they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

And then he will send out the angels and will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from earth’s extremity to heaven’s extremity."

After the attack on Jerusalem, the Christians weren't gathered together - they were scattered. Nobody saw angels and nobody saw Jesus coming on the clouds with power and great glory.

The time of "great distress" hasn't happened yet. Everybody will know when it happens. No one will have to guess. It'll be so bad, people will think no Christians will survive. That's why Jesus said this in Matthew 24:

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away."

...and this in Mark 13...

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away."

The leaders of the religious institutions (like the "heavens") will pass-away/be-removed and the organizations/bodies of the religious institutions (like the "earth" of those organizations) will be dissolved, but the "generation" of Christians who see the tribulation begin will survive to the end of the tribulation, because the appointed times of the nations to attack/rule-as-UN-world-power during the tribulation is only 3 1/2 years, and Jesus will help us get through that "wilderness" time.

He wasn't saying the "this generation" thing as some kind of way to calculate a timeframe. He was saying it so people wouldn't be scared that they wouldn't survive the tribulation.

The trialsome time period will have a definite ending and a definite end.

"But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near."

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2023 JW Protest London | London Excel - 19-20 August & 26-27 August

by jwleaks in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQYs7HF9kEk

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

by aqwsed12345 in

the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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Hi again enoughisenough...

Jesus blood is poured out for anyone who is willing to take advantage of the ransom. But it is not necessary to partake of the emblems to be show faith in that blood, just like it wasn't necessary for Christians to be circumcised. It was difficult for Jewish Christians to realize that too.

Those who are raised up in the future resurrection during the 1000 year reign will not partake, and yet the blood is enough for them.

The purpose of the Lord's Evening Meal was to remind those of the 144,000 to keep awake until the Lord came to take them to their assignment. It's not like some kind of "golden ticket" or something. That's why the ritual will end when the marriage of the Lamb happens. Partaking of the wine and bread is a ritual, just like circumcision was a ritual, or the old Passover meal was a ritual. It was an expression of faith, but in and of itself it didn't save anyone.

Parts of Christendom have taught people for years that everybody needs to partake of the emblems, but that's not what the Bible teaches. Abraham was considered righteous by faith, and he wasn't even baptized.

There are two different covenants. Jehovah can't let a human "marry" a spirit creature. The first covenant is where Jehovah adopts the 144,000. By adopting the 144,000 and changing them into a new creation, the same kind as His son, Jehovah provides the legal basis to unite the two. Jesus himself makes the second covenant, the marriage covenant, with the 144,000. The covenant for the Kingdom is the marriage covenant. The marriage of the Lamb is when they are joined in the Kingdom, "taking home the bride". When anointed ones partake, they are just showing that they are aware that they are in that marriage covenant.

Those who will live on the earth don't have to be "changed" so they don't need those two covenants. The application of the ransom blood to them is poured out without their needing to partake of the wine/bread because they are not in the marriage covenant. They are automatically made part of that arrangement because Jesus took Adam's place. When he took Adam's place, he automatically inherited his kids and as their Eternal Father he now intercedes for them.

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

by aqwsed12345 in

the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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It doesn't bother me if somebody wants to partake or not partake. It's just not required for someone who is not in that specific covenant.

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"

by aqwsed12345 in

the narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.

the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).

he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.

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Matthew 26:26-28

"As they continued eating, Jesus took a loaf, and after saying a blessing, he broke it, and giving it to the disciples, he said: “Take, eat. This means my body.” And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins."

Eating the bread and wine at the Lord's Evening Meal is symbolic of being part of that specific covenant. It is specific direction for those in that covenant.

Luke 22:19,20

"Also, he took a loaf, gave thanks, broke it, and gave it to them, saying: “This means my body, which is to be given in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.” Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf."

What covenant was Jesus talking about? The covenant for a Kingdom.

Luke 22:29,30

"I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel."

Literally taking in wine and bread doesn't save anyone. Jesus blood is what saves someone, and their faith in that blood.

Romans 14:17-18

"For the Kingdom of God does not mean eating and drinking, but means righteousness and peace and joy with holy spirit. For whoever slaves for Christ in this way is acceptable to God and has approval with men."