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New Zealand - JWs head to court on Abuse in Care Inquiry - RNZ news story
by EasyPrompt inhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jehovahs-witnesses-head-to-court-on-abuse-in-care-inquiry-victims-feel-a-kick-in-the-guts/hwjsnshi5vfv7ghjztr63goseu/.
"by bill hickman of rnz.
the new zealand branch of the jehovah’s witnesses is going to court in an attempt to have the church made exempt from the abuse in care inquiry today.. in the high court at wellington, lawyers for the church are seeking a declaration that the church is not responsible for the care of children or vulnerable people in new zealand.. abuse survivor advocate and former church elder shayne mechen said the church was trying to use a technicality to side-step its inclusion in the inquiry.. .
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About quiting hours
by Gorb inwhat i'm thinking: can a jw be happy that the hour rapport quits?
can you show you are happy with it in the kingdom hall?
knowing it was one of the control systems of the local elders and co?.
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It's been fizzling toward that direction for a few years anyway.
The local congregations here didn't even keep much literature in stock. Half the time if somebody ordered something specific, it never came in. For the campaigns, each person was only given a small handful of tracts or magazines (like 5) by their group overseer. Some publishers printed their own invitations to the Memorial or went to a print shop to order copies of invitations to distribute for the conventions because the congregation didn't provide any.
The elders weren't required to forward the numbers of placements to headquarters for a long time anyway, just forwarding the hours. (The rank and file still put down the numbers of placements, but the secretary wasn't forwarding them.) That's part of why the elders here weren't motivated to dole out literature. They knew it didn't matter.
This wasn't a last minute move by the GB. It was planned.
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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!
by BoogerMan inthis is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!
reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.
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"Of course, not one of us believe the reasons that the Governing Body gave for the change.
They are not honest men.
If their reasons were true then they would apply equally to those that are still required to report such as pioneers/missionaries etc.
If their decisions don't make sense from a human viewpoint then it's only because they are lying as to the reasons why they made them."
The Governing Body are liars.
The Governing Body doesn't really care about God's Name. They don't really care about people.
The whole reason the top headquarters people have been promoting the "ministry" all these years is the same reason Charles Taze Russell started this business - for personal gain.
C. T. Russell used to be a businessman selling gents goods. He traded it in for what would become a tax-exempt pyramid-scheme religious-book-selling business.
The guys at headquarters are at the top of the pyramid scheme. They don't care about "ministry". They care about money and power.
They get their power by maintaining the unscriptural hierarchy and they maintain the money flow by selling product. It used to be their product was publications, but that's changed. Now it's real estate.
They don't need the "ministry" part for sales as much, but since it is the cover for their real estate scheme, they have to maintain it. The cart thing is an easy way to do it. So is the website thing.
It's all about show. They can change the reporting to try to look like they care, but it's only because they didn't care about the ministry hours anymore anyway. They don't get their money from selling publications at this point, they get it from automatic monthly donations and from selling real estate.
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Breaking news - no more reporting
by wannaexit ini didint search to see if its been talked about.
big news for jws sheeple , no more reporting.
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Haha, I thought this was funny...
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Real reasons behind this change?
by Gorb injust a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.
a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?
maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?
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Most of the elders I knew didn't really go out in field service anyway. They did "creative" ministry. They'd do the field service group and then ride around with their wife and stay in the car during her studies. Or they'd drive some other people around to their studies and stay in the car. Or they'd drive to the car wash first, then the post office to pick up the Kingdom Hall mail, then swing by the hospital to check if any JWs were in there, then coffee break, then back to the Kingdom Hall, or something like that.
But I remember the COBE talking once about they wanted to promote a couple guys to be elders but the only thing holding them back was that another elder said they only had like one or two hours a month in the ministry. The COBE was trying to get the other elders to see that it didn't matter. Seems he was thinking the same as the GB. (A lot of them just do it - become an elder - for prominence/power. And then the ones that are sincere get poisoned pretty quickly once they get that elder position, because if they don't turn into hypocrites like the other elders, they get a lot of flack.)
The hour reporting was just another fraudulent scam of the guys at Bethel to mislead nice sincere religious people into working to support an antichrist clergy class commune. They didn't really care about shepherding people or comforting people. It was just pretend, a product. That's why they were so quick to stop the door-to-door during COVID but they kept building projects going where they could. Now they have people donating online regular monthly deductions from their bank account that go straight to Bethel, so they don't need the push for literature placements and the old way of donating with people feeling they need to put something in the box to cover the literature placed.
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"A good REPORT invigorates the bones." (Proverbs 15:30) 🤣🤣🤣
by BoogerMan inyesterday's annual meeting "report" was soooooooooooo invigorating!.
memories:.
km 1/97 p. 7 question box - why should we report our field service activity promptly each month?
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They are JWBorg. My PIMI husband went to meeting today. Sounds like new reporting didn't even come up in conversation. (Kinda like..."What do you mean, we used to report field service time? And Anthony Morris who? Never heard of him.")
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Real reasons behind this change?
by Gorb injust a good conversation at home about the hour report change.. we think the change was not impmemented because the gb are such a lovely bunch of old grandpa's having the best in mind for us individuals.. there will be only, and we say only, an organizational reason for it.
a legal reason, to protect jw.org and it's officials and wealth.. next step?
maybe selling more kh and when jw hollywood studio's in rampoo are ready a change to tv subscription.. what do you think?
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Before, they made money off selling literature. Dangling the title/prominence "carrot" in front of publishers increased the sales. "Sister So-and-So is auxiliary pioneering this month!" <clap, clap, clap>
They don't sell literature anymore. They sell real estate.
Now the push is to get strong young laborers to go "volunteer" building Ramapo/etc. New "carrot".
No need to monitor hours in the ministry because the money comes from a different source now.
Also, they are running out of elders to support their GB-pyramid-power-structure. Before, low-monthly-hour guys were not generally recommendable. Now that's gone, they can promote the low-hour guys to being elders.
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New Zealand - JWs head to court on Abuse in Care Inquiry - RNZ news story
by EasyPrompt inhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jehovahs-witnesses-head-to-court-on-abuse-in-care-inquiry-victims-feel-a-kick-in-the-guts/hwjsnshi5vfv7ghjztr63goseu/.
"by bill hickman of rnz.
the new zealand branch of the jehovah’s witnesses is going to court in an attempt to have the church made exempt from the abuse in care inquiry today.. in the high court at wellington, lawyers for the church are seeking a declaration that the church is not responsible for the care of children or vulnerable people in new zealand.. abuse survivor advocate and former church elder shayne mechen said the church was trying to use a technicality to side-step its inclusion in the inquiry.. .
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Yes, I hope they do too. It's time for these guys to get shut down.
(Some older news stories...)
https://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-child-sex-abuse-lawsuit-1454001
https://www.newsweek.com/jehovahs-witnesses-child-sex-abuse-lawsuit-1454001
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New Zealand - JWs head to court on Abuse in Care Inquiry - RNZ news story
by EasyPrompt inhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jehovahs-witnesses-head-to-court-on-abuse-in-care-inquiry-victims-feel-a-kick-in-the-guts/hwjsnshi5vfv7ghjztr63goseu/.
"by bill hickman of rnz.
the new zealand branch of the jehovah’s witnesses is going to court in an attempt to have the church made exempt from the abuse in care inquiry today.. in the high court at wellington, lawyers for the church are seeking a declaration that the church is not responsible for the care of children or vulnerable people in new zealand.. abuse survivor advocate and former church elder shayne mechen said the church was trying to use a technicality to side-step its inclusion in the inquiry.. .
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"By Bill Hickman of RNZ
The New Zealand Branch of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is going to court in an attempt to have the church made exempt from the Abuse in Care inquiry today.
In the High Court at Wellington, lawyers for the church are seeking a declaration that the church is not responsible for the care of children or vulnerable people in New Zealand.
Abuse survivor advocate and former church Elder Shayne Mechen said the church was trying to use a technicality to side-step its inclusion in the inquiry.
“The response from former Jehovah’s Witnesses is they’re basically saying ‘what a bunch of liars’. Because everyone who has been a part of that organisation knows that the Elders are encouraged to look after children, to do things with them.”
Mechen said the move was a “kick in the guts” for those who suffered abuse and those brave enough to relive their experience for the inquiry.
“They had high hopes, those hopes have been smashed,” he said.
The Jehovah's Witness church has been fighting scrutiny from a national inquiry.
“They’ve been re-traumatised and there’s no hope at all for them to get any justice from what the Jehovah’s Witnesses are doing.”
Mechen said the argument was based on the church’s lack of bricks and mortar facilities for young people.
He said, if upheld, the review could allow Jehovah’s Witnesses groups across the commonwealth to evade their culpability for past abuse.
Luke Hollis was an abuse survivor from a Jehovah’s Witnesses following in Britain.
He said he hoped the New Zealand courts would see through the church’s argument.
“It is a very common rhetoric: ‘We don’t have any nurseries, we don’t have specific schools for children who are Jehovah’s Witnesses, so how can we be accountable? We are not care givers’. But the actual reality is very, very different,” Hollis said.
The power structure of the church meant trusted Elders could control who young people spend time with, Hollis said.
As a child, he said he would be assigned to spend time in the sole supervision of his abuser well beyond the confines of any formal church structure.
“In their preaching work they go door-to-door, they go to different events and what not. For myself, every week my abuser would have the power to say ‘that person is going to come with me for two hours and knock on some doors’.
“So even though that isn’t in a physical setting that is an example of how perpetrators of abuse have access to children but not in an official setting such as a school or a nursery,” Hollis said.
The judicial review was scheduled take place over two days in Wellington High Court this week.
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2023 WTS Annual Meeting?
by careful inthe first saturday in oct. is coming up soon.
that's when the org holds its annual meeting.
not that many years back, it used to be hyped beforehand with favored ones getting special invites.
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(The video of the annual meeting that was on the avoidjw site has been taken down, but the link to the jwstream recording of the annual meeting is still working...it will probably expire later today.)